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mdwav
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03-08-2006, 02:55 AM
Post subject: how to compute equity vs a range?
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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The title's kinda odd, but I can't figure out how to word it. Basically, I've started to play 2/4 6-max , and have a problem I have rarely had in full ring. What do you do with a hand that basically fits in the middle of someone's raising standards?
Eg P1 raises, his/her range is A8+, K9+, QJ/QT, pairs 44+. What do you do with something like KJs? KQ? 88? 99? AT? How much does your opponent's post-flop tendencies affect your decision? Eg your opponent won't fold Ace high UI, do you then start folding KQ?
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elipsesjeff
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All of these are a pretty standard 3 bet preflop. You can go even as low as 55 if you know how to play post flop.
If he won't fold Ace high, then value bet him to death when you know he's got an Ace but take your free cards/showdowns when you need them.
You'll find that the range you gave are the standard 2p2 poker types.
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Xanadu
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In general, you want to 3-bet about the top half of the intitial raiser's range. This gives you a 75% chance of having the better hand on average. This of course should be adjusted for position/other opponents.
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mdwav
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Thnx for the replies. I've been busy with school so it's taken me awhile to get back here on the forums.
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All of these are a pretty standard 3 bet preflop
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That's a fairly wide 3-betting range (IMO), esp the KJ (or maybe it's just my old full ring mentatility kicking in) . Are you 3-betting such a wide range for meta-game purposes? Folding equity? Or for value? And do you have the same standard as Xanadu (top 50% of intial raiser's hands)? Sorry for the pestering questions, just trying to figure out the reasoning rather than get a '3-betting chart'.
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You'll find that the range you gave are the standard 2p2 poker types.
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That's kinda odd. I don't read a lot of 2p2, I just thought this was an appropriate raising range. So does that mean I think like a 2p2-er? Is that a good thing??
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In general, you want to 3-bet about the top half of the intitial raiser's range. This gives you a 75% chance of having the better hand on average.
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Thnx Xanadu; where do you get these numbers from (top 1/2, 75%)?
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Demiparadigm
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A) I usually fold KJs, KQo to a raise, but i will 3 bet against a loose raiser. I will 3 bet 99 v anyone. The 3 bet is for value since you will have position for the rest of the hand. Hopefully, you play better than your opponents post flop.
B) 2p2 small stakes players are "typical TAggs" when we refer to the 2p2 poker type, it is a winning player. If you play like a winning player, as well as think like one, then yes, I guess that is a good thing.
C) this can be mathematically proven. You should actually raise closer t othe top 44% of your opponents raising range for value. Since 44% is pretty close to half, it is much easier to think of it as "half"
Finally download poker stove and play around a bit in there. Find out what the top 10% of hands are... the top 20% and 50%. This will give you a better idea of the hands that your opponents are playing, and what hands you should play back with. Also realize bad players are more likely to play any ace or any suited cards, despite their relative strength.
Also, use some type of HUD with poker tracker to get "quick reads" on your opponents. The more experience you get, the easier it is to put your opponent on a range. The more practice you get, the easier it is to determine the strength of your hand vs that range.
Good Luck.
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