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Old 03-08-2006, 02:06 AM     Post subject: How to bet low two pair? #1 (permalink)  

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Anyone care to give some general guidelines on how to deal w/having a low two pair? The book I'm reading only gives guidelines for dealing w/flopping top pair.

How many bets do I call? Do I fold if re-raised?

Ex: my hand:9Ts (diamonds)

flop: Tc 9s As

turn: Kd

river: 2c

how do I bet on the flop? When dealing w/top two pair, "Winning Low Limit Hold'em" says I should get as many bets in on the flop as I can (try to check-raise but don't give a free card) and fold if there is one to a flush/straight that I don't have on the river.

What about this case though? Would I bet the same way?

There are a few fish at the table so while I get good pot odds I might have to worry about someone else staying in with just about anything that 'looks' good, even if it isn't (i.e., dominated hands or unsuited connectors).
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Old 03-08-2006, 02:26 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I remember reading 'play a small 2 pair like an overpair'. This makes sense since the small 2 pair beats the same hands as an overpair (with the exception that a low 2 pair beats a single overpair, but you get the idea). For the board you posted, I would prob bet/raise/call cap; or bet/call and lead a non-spade turn. Obviously, there are other factors to consider. For example:
1) did anyone pfr? That increases the chances of someone having a big ace/big pair.
2) Who's raising you? If it's a tightie that limped in (esp behind others), he probably has a set or aces up (with a low 2nd card).
3) Is the raiser IP and raising behind callers? He/she might be pumping a good draw
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how many opponents are there?
what is your position?
what is your relative position?
how well do you play?
how well do your opponents play?
what is your current mood?
what are your opponents' moods?

start thinking outside the box.

anyways, as far as two pair hands goes, just keep up the aggression. even on a 3 flush flop or 4 to a straight i'm pretty weary of someone bluffing me out, and i'd need a pretty solid read that they are passive to make a fold (to a raise).
 
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 when I flop bottom two pair, i either play it really aggressively or really cautiously depending.

In a heads up pot, when I put my opponent on tptk, I push real hard with bottom two.

In multiway pot, I usually check the flop and see a cheap turn and reevaluate. The problem with two pair is that it can become counterfeited when the board pairs. Even if the pair is lower than your bottom pair then its still really bad for you, because if the opponent has Aces or Kings, then his hand just became Aces or Kings UP and you're toast.
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Old 03-08-2006, 03:01 AM #6 (permalink)  

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I know there are a lot of factors to consider, I'm just trying to get some general guidelines.

Usually I play hands like 9Ts in mid to late position--I don't view it as an early position hand (unless I'm playing with less than five opponents or I'm trying to use my 'conservative' image to my advantage), even though I know a few guys at my table will play it any day.

So this would be in mid- to late position. I know I'd call a bet, but I'm not sure what I should do if someone raises me in front or I have to call two bets cold. If the raiser was a maverick or tight-aggressive my gut says I should fold, but my gut often betrays me.

I like the 'play it like an overpair' idea.

Also, do you guys think 'Winning at Low Limit Hold'em' is a good book to go by? I realize books will only take you so far--ultimately it's your ability to know your opponents, play the right cards, exploit their weaknesses and, in my case since I'm playing a stupid home game with four fish and two seasoned veterans, GET LUCKY--but if I'm barking up the wrong tree I'd like to know.

It teaches to play pretty conservative--fold big Kings or Aces if they have bad kickers, with the exception of AX in late position, fold if you are re-raised on the turn and you have a low two-pair using one pair on the board, fold if there's one to a flush or straight on the river, someone's raised or re-raised and you only have two pair...I haven't really won much lately, but I'm not sure I'm using all it teaches me, and honestly I'm just a really unlucky guy--unlike my friends I never get those monster hands that make you successful at these home games. Still, anyone have an opinion of it?
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Old 03-08-2006, 04:54 AM #8 (permalink)  

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^^^I've heard mixed reviews of both Jones' W@LLTH and SSH. Which one is better? Jones' seems to make a lot of sense and takes into account the inexperience of your opponents; but then again it's the only one I've read.

What are the differences?
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Do a forum search for SSH (aka SSHE) and you will find countless posts of people vouching for it, along with their reasons. It is undoubtedly the better book.
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