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midas06
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02-07-2006, 11:54 AM
Post subject: How badly did I play this?
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with T 9
UTG folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.
Flop: 8 T 2 (6.5SB, 3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, BB Caps, Hero calls, Button calls.
Turn: J (9.25BB, 3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, Button raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls.
River: 4 (18.25BB, 3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, BB calls.
Results:
Final pot: 24.25BB
I really didn't like my play on the turn. However, the player who had position on me was a donkey, and I easily could have had him dominated.
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02-07-2006, 03:28 PM
Post subject: Re: How badly did I play this?
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Originally Posted by midas06
I really didn't like my play on the turn. However, the player who had position on me was a donkey, and I easily could have had him dominated.
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That's the least of the reasons you should be calling. You have great odds for the OESD+FD, so folding would be terrible. Raising would also be bad because: 1) you don't have enough equity to raise for value; 2) even if the button doesn't have you beat (which I think he does), raising is unlikely to help protect your pair by getting him to fold; and 3) raising would hurt your implied odds. Given that you can't fold and shouldn't raise, I don't see any other way to play the turn.
I also play the flop and the river exactly the same way as you did (raise the flop because your pair of tens is vulnerable and you'd like protection, and you have a decent-sized equity edge if you are called, and raise the river because you hit your hand).
The only street I might play differently is preflop. If you're going to play it, playing it for a raise is correct, but in some games I'm mucking it 5-handed from this position. Depends on opponents.
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Looks fine to me. Nice pot.
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On the turn appears you are behind, but have to call big pot.
I once though called 2 bets in this spot with T flush draw, third heart on the river. Well he had K high flush, and reraised turn with 2 pair. and his draw. So pot odds for 2 cold should be at least 1:5 I guess.
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midas06
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02-07-2006, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by midas06
I really didn't like my play on the turn. However, the player who had position on me was a donkey, and I easily could have had him dominated.
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That's the least of the reasons you should be calling. |
I meant that I didn't really like the raise behind me on the turn.
Cold calling 3 still seems wierd to me.
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02-07-2006, 11:28 PM
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I really didn't like my play on the turn. However, the player who had position on me was a donkey, and I easily could have had him dominated.
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That's the least of the reasons you should be calling. |
I meant that I didn't really like the raise behind me on the turn.
Cold calling 3 still seems wierd to me. |
This hand is so standard for me that I never would have thought to post it. I play exactly the same 97% of the time.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Originally Posted by midas06
I really didn't like my play on the turn. However, the player who had position on me was a donkey, and I easily could have had him dominated.
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That's the least of the reasons you should be calling. |
I meant that I didn't really like the raise behind me on the turn.
Cold calling 3 still seems wierd to me. |
This hand is so standard for me that I never would have thought to post it. I play exactly the same 97% of the time. |
Uh, no.
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Originally Posted by midas06
I really didn't like my play on the turn. However, the player who had position on me was a donkey, and I easily could have had him dominated.
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That's the least of the reasons you should be calling. |
I meant that I didn't really like the raise behind me on the turn.
Cold calling 3 still seems wierd to me. |
This hand is so standard for me that I never would have thought to post it. I play exactly the same 97% of the time. |
Uh, no. |
elaborate?
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Midas,
Would you have capped the flop if BB didn't?
-Kes
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If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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midas06
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Yes
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Why not raise the turn?
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Demiparadigm
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Why not raise the turn?
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Without using any software I would guess that turn equity is somewhere in the 25-30% range. A raise might push out the button, which doesn't change our equity much since BB is representing a much better hand than top pair. Therefore we are probably better off going for the overcall. Since every bet we are putting in on the turn has negative equity (disregarding the pot, which makes calling +EV) Then a call is better than a raise.
Do you think we ever have more than 33% equity given the flop action?
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Do you think we ever have more than 33% equity given the flop action?
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Misread the hand. Yeah, call because someone has a pair of Tens beat.
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