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Old 08-06-2005, 06:55 PM     Post subject: how bad was this turn call... #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #2276644284: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/08/06 - 14:45:05 (ET)
Table 'Voyager I' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Gabon ($9.45 in chips)
Seat 2: SeeThruMe ($15 in chips)
Seat 3: glen19 ($32.85 in chips)
Seat 4: RhinoUlery ($19.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Draeger ($12.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Wizard42 ($10.20 in chips)
Seat 7: Mike_Solid ($12.90 in chips)
Seat 8: sed76 ($22.25 in chips)
Seat 9: Coltaine ($94.45 in chips)
Gabon: posts small blind $0.10
SeeThruMe: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sed76 [6c 5d 9c 7d]
glen19: folds
RhinoUlery: raises $0.60 to $0.85
Draeger: calls $0.85
Wizard42: calls $0.85
Mike_Solid: folds
sed76: calls $0.85
Coltaine: folds
Gabon: calls $0.75
SeeThruMe: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7c 5h]
Gabon: checks
RhinoUlery: checks
Draeger: bets $2
Wizard42: folds
sed76: raises $4 to $6
Gabon: folds
RhinoUlery: folds
Draeger: calls $4
*** TURN *** [Kc 7c 5h] [2s]
Draeger: bets $5.85 and is all-in
sed76: calls $5.85

Results:


*** RIVER *** [Kc 7c 5h 2s] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Draeger: shows [3s Ah 6h 4d] (a straight, Three to Seven)
sed76: shows [6c 5d 9c 7d] (a flush, King high)
sed76 collected $26.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $28.20 | Rake $1.35
Board [Kc 7c 5h 2s 3c]
Seat 1: Gabon (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: SeeThruMe (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: glen19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: RhinoUlery folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Draeger showed [3s Ah 6h 4d] and lost with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 6: Wizard42 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Mike_Solid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sed76 showed [6c 5d 9c 7d] and won ($26.85) with a flush, King high
Seat 9: Coltaine (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


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Old 08-06-2005, 11:30 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Bad call preflop
Bad raise on the turn (you shouldn't even be in the hand)
Easy turn call.

Look how big the pot is on the turn, you don't think that you are at least 30% to win?
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Old 08-07-2005, 02:04 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Just started dinking around with omaha... I've got a pile to learn.

The opp had been betting at everything and the table was consistently showing down 1 pr or 2 pr to win... the raise was more read based than cards based. I really figured I was ahead there.

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Old 08-08-2005, 04:15 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Bad call preflop
I dont think it was a bad call. Id rather call a raise with a hand like that, than a high card powerish hand. Double suited wrap arounds play well against raises.
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Old 08-08-2005, 09:19 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I am fine with your play throughout. You had a good hand pre-flop to look for a straight, and you have flush possibilities in your back pocket as insurance. Pot odds are great too with a couple of callers ahead of you. This is no worse than playing suited connectors for a raise in hold 'em. Arguably, it's pretty much the same.

Your flop raise is interesting. Your hand is not all that strong, especially with so many people playing, but you did have position and basically all of them showed weakness. I don't mind the raise because you do have some good draws and you'd rather proceed heads up than play against the field.

On the turn the hand plays itself. You have two pair, four outs to a boat, three outs to a straight which would be the nuts, and nine outs to a club flush that is about 85% likely to be the winning hand. In addition to all that, you're getting almost 4:1 on your call. If you *didn't* call that, we'd have to have some words right now. It's also worth pointing out that the turn card was a virtual certainty to not improve his hand. If you had him beat on the flop, you still had him beat on the turn. And even if you didn't, you still had a pile of live outs.
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