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Old 09-08-2006, 05:52 AM     Post subject: How bad is this? #1 (permalink)  
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I don't normally open limp, I don't normally check when it's checked to me. I don't like to just call...

Other guys in the flop are passives, BTN I have no real stats for but he's played, I think, every hand up to this point (1 orbit).

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Limit: $1/$2
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $35.50
UTG+1: $63.50
UTG+2: $73
MP1: $40.75
MP2: $48
MP3: $101
CO: $77
Button: $34
SB: $54.25
BB: $42

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG with A 7
Hero calls, 6 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: K 8 4 (4SB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 6 (4BB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, 2 folds, Hero calls.

River: A (6BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 8BB

Calling station much?
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Old 09-08-2006, 05:59 AM #2 (permalink)  
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flop call is bad because of reverse implied odds.
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Old 09-08-2006, 08:27 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Nothing wrong, per se, with open limping. There are a lot of hands with which it makes sense to open limp, particularly at passive tables.

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flop call is bad because of reverse implied odds.
Don't you have to be ahead for reverse implied odds to have much effect?


Getting less than 7 to 1 odds the flop call seems very, very weak. It's hard to see that you have better than 4.5 outs, and anyone with A8 or A4 has you dominated...

The call on the turn seems equally weak. You have, say, 6 outs, and the pot is offering you 5 to 1.

This seems pretty basic. What am I missing?
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Old 09-08-2006, 11:28 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Don't you have to be ahead for reverse implied odds to have much effect?
no?
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Old 09-09-2006, 12:29 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Er, that was essentially rhetorical and, given how unlikely it was for the A7s to be ahead or get ahead, a fairly obvious joke.

At any rate, for the idea of reverse implied odds to have significant meaning with regard to a given hand, one has to be ahead or have useful prospects of being ahead, then a nonzero chance of losing nonetheless. The chance of catching an Ace on the turn, having that being the best hand as of the turn, then being outdrawn on the river, are in the neighborhood of 2%.
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Old 09-09-2006, 07:58 PM #6 (permalink)  
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No, the point is that hitting his A is likely to make him showdown the loser ayway. Being ahead has nothing to do with it.
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Old 09-12-2006, 06:46 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Thanks guys.

I try to pay attention to this sort of hand because results can blind one to the truth (here villain flipped over 53o).
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Old 09-12-2006, 05:15 PM #8 (permalink)  
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A7s UTG is only playable when you have been seeing 6 or more people to the flop with very little preflop raising. This just doesn't happen very often at 1/2 FR these days, so probably a mistake. As for the reverse implied odds, you don't have to be ahead at all for it to come into play. Anyone with A4,A8, or on the turn, A6 will have you beat when you spike an A.
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Old 09-16-2006, 06:11 AM #9 (permalink)  
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"Anyone with A4,A8, or on the turn, A6 will have you beat when you spike an A."

Ah--I would call that being "reverse dominated," and not consider it a part of "reverse implied odds."
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the pre flop call is still kinda ugly if the game isn't loose, even if it's passive you want an enormously loose/passive game(per se a live one with a bunch of people limping every pot.)

flop call: ugly. fold.

turn call: ugly. fold.

river: fuck it if you're going to play this hand, check raise him with your A and make it even more terrible of a hand so he can 3 bet you.
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Old 09-21-2006, 03:27 AM #11 (permalink)  
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