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Old 07-14-2005, 09:24 PM     Post subject: Horrible opponent play #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, A.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7, T, 2 (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 5 (3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (7.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, MP1 folds, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 7h 2d (two pair, sevens and twos).
Hero has 7s As (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: SB wins 7.50 BB.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
UTG+2 calls, 6 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5, 8, J (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks, Here bets, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.5 BB) 2 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, BB folds. UTG+2 raises, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 9 (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+2 has 8d Qd (flush, queen high).
Hero has Ks Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, Q.
1 fold, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T, Q, 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets, Hero raises, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.

River: (9 BB) 8 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Button folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 7d Qd (two pair, queens and sevens).
BB has 9d 7h (straight, ten high).
Outcome: BB wins 13 BB.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9, 9.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, 1 fold, SB caps, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 4, 4, T (4 players)
SB bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (13 BB) 2 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (16 BB) Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 6c 4c (three of a kind, fours).
Hero has 9h 9c (two pair, nines and fours).
CO has Td Kd (two pair, tens and fours).
Outcome: SB wins 16 BB.


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Old 07-14-2005, 09:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I'd like to see what your opponents had - but since the new change in format has this yellow background I can't decipher the white results. Anyone know what I can do to make the white readable?
Edit - never mind I figured it out.
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Old 07-14-2005, 10:08 PM #3 (permalink)  
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hand 2 - except for limping in preflop what was so bad? You could argue that he should be raising that flop, but not wanting to scare out BB or CO has its advatages sometimes. If he had raised the flop he sorta has to bet the turn meaning he can't use the checkraise like he did with the big bets.
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Old 07-15-2005, 02:32 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 I made a mistake with the HH, i'll repost it later.


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Old 07-15-2005, 07:28 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A.
4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.66 SB) 6, A, K (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.33 BB) K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds.

River: (8.33 BB) T (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 10.33 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah Ad (full house, aces full of kings).
Button has Tc 6c (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.33 BB.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 3-bets, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero caps, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (21 SB) 2, 5, 7 (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 3 (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (15.50 BB) T (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 22.50 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has Ah 5s (one pair, fives).
MP2 has Jh Kh (flush, king high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 22.50 BB.


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Old 07-15-2005, 02:06 PM #6 (permalink)  
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That last hand are you kidding me? He CAPPED preflop with 6 4 suited? I've looked at these hands and I just don't understand. I don't understand the second last hand, why would you call a raise in SB with a Q 7 suited?
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Old 07-15-2005, 03:09 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I've looked at these hands and I just don't understand. I don't understand the second last hand, why would you call a raise in SB with a Q 7 suited?
Because it's an obvious steal.
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Old 07-15-2005, 03:50 PM #8 (permalink)  
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If you are calling in SB to steal with Q 7, aren't you inviting BB to call as well? How well is Q 7 going to play multi-way in the worst possible position? Why not re-raise to tell him to F-off and get BB to fold?
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must be a nice gift up at 15/30 when you see this. Down here at 3/6 that's incredibly common and i find nothing unordinary about any of that, lol.

A question for you, I would be inclined to slow playp the flop where you hit trip aces by just calling there bets. How come you guy's dont do this?
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Old 07-15-2005, 04:33 PM #10 (permalink)  
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A question for you, I would be inclined to slow playp the flop where you hit trip aces by just calling there bets. How come you guy's dont do this?
It's rarely correct to slowplay. If you have a big hand, the pot is small, and you think your opponent(s) will fold if you bet, then it is correct, but these situations are rare. In this case, the pot is not that small, BB is obviously not folding, and there are potential draws out there that you must force to pay to try and beat you. They also may suspect he was on a steal, which makes it more likely he will get action. Even if the pot is small, it's usually best to just value bet like crazy against donks.
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A question for you, I would be inclined to slow playp the flop where you hit trip aces by just calling there bets. How come you guy's dont do this?
It's rarely correct to slowplay. If you have a big hand, the pot is small, and you think your opponent(s) will fold if you bet, then it is correct, but these situations are rare. In this case, the pot is not that small, BB is obviously not folding, and there are potential draws out there that you must force to pay to try and beat you. They also may suspect he was on a steal, which makes it more likely he will get action. Even if the pot is small, it's usually best to just value bet like crazy against donks.
A check on the flop, bet on the turn is also a lot more suspicious then a bet on the flop and a check on the turn. IMO if you are looking to make a checkraise the checkraise on the turn is more $ in the longrun. Also with both the str8 and flush draws here you do need to be careful. To be honest, except for the pre-flop call I don't think the play was super horrible. I actually probably would reraised the flop thinking I had 14 outs rather than just 9 (and then none on the turn). And I probably woulda given up the river (but three pair is so hard to give up mom!) - only reason to call that river is to see how Hero beat you (or maybe, just maybe beat a pocket pair below T).
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Old 07-15-2005, 07:12 PM #12 (permalink)  
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If you are calling in SB to steal with Q 7, aren't you inviting BB to call as well? How well is Q 7 going to play multi-way in the worst possible position? Why not re-raise to tell him to F-off and get BB to fold?
Personally, I am more inclined to invite the BB along when my hand is suited. I am also more inclined to three bet when I am willing to showdown unimproved.
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