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Old 10-29-2008, 05:57 PM     Post subject: hope this looks better... #1 (permalink)  
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i bet the flop because i have strong draws to the nuts on both ends. i presume i dont raise the turn because i dont want to drive anyone out in the name of pot building? and, i go for overcallers on this river instead of raise since the raise came from my right, yes?

anything i missed? i didn't think it was quite strong enough to raise, but should i have?


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Preflop: Hero is CO with 3, T, 4, A. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.07.
UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (7.80 SB) 8, 2, 9 (7 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.90 BB) 6 (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (11.90 BB) 4 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 14.90 BB
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Old 10-29-2008, 09:28 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 you have the nut flush and the nut low on the river
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Old 10-29-2008, 09:41 PM #3 (permalink)  
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i meant raise pre. i knew i was 3/4 at the very least and good to scoop extremely often.

is this a hand to raise pre, tho?
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 I think I raise it preflop

I definitely raise the river


 
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:59 PM #5 (permalink)  
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so, going for the overcalls, and 3 BBs, was bad? instead of raising and getting 1 more BB from MP2 and risking shutting the others out?

i realize they folded to one bet. but, i felt at these stakes they call about anything to the river, so the overcalls were a cinch. but, i dont think they are big enough stations to actually call a raise cold here. to make it the same 3BBs, i need only one of the three to call the raise, but i still think thats risky.

is that wrong of me to think? is there a fundamental poker concept i am missing? am i overvaluing the overcall? underestimating the calling of river raises?

thats kind of what i need to know for these situations.
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Old 10-30-2008, 04:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Lets assume all 3 overcalls call

You have a guarnteed call from the OR, so if all 3 calls you need one of them to call 2 bets; if you raise the OR may even reraise you with A3

All and all I think you will make more money by raising here


 
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 I don't raise pre

I'd probably raise the turn, he may just have the nut low or a straight and you're free rolling him, also maybe you can buy more outs for high

River is interesting. Calling gets us 2 more bets in the pot max (I assume the bettor is always going to call a raise). If we raise, we may get a cold call from someone with a worse low and a flush, or you could get raised if MP has that kinda hand. Or both. I lean to the high ceiling play. Also I think people worry less about quartering with nut lows made without the A2.
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Old 10-30-2008, 05:28 PM #8 (permalink)  
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good points. thanks for the discussion.

i tend not to drive people away with the nuts instead of thinking someone will reraise. in this instance there were 3 people still to act so, i felt the overcalls were money in the bank.

but, anyway, i stand corrected. i should have raised the river due to higher potential payout. and, being results oriented....haha....what would i have lost by going for it? nothing.

but, i will say this, too. i have played a few hundred hands down here now, and i have yet to see a jammed pot on the river that i have been involved with enough to notice ( ) generally, at the lowest stakes we see some raising, but 3betting is very rare. that is almost the case in LHE, too. its just so rare, that it really demands attention. when i play live, a RR means, i have the absolute nuts. so, i didnt think there was even a slight chance MP2 reraises.

clearly, i should have done a better job of level one thinking and gone for it anyway. thanks again.
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:13 PM #9 (permalink)  
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good points. thanks for the discussion.

i tend not to drive people away with the nuts instead of thinking someone will reraise. in this instance there were 3 people still to act so, i felt the overcalls were money in the bank.

but, anyway, i stand corrected. i should have raised the river due to higher potential payout. and, being results oriented....haha....what would i have lost by going for it? nothing.

but, i will say this, too. i have played a few hundred hands down here now, and i have yet to see a jammed pot on the river that i have been involved with enough to notice ( ) generally, at the lowest stakes we see some raising, but 3betting is very rare. that is almost the case in LHE, too. its just so rare, that it really demands attention. when i play live, a RR means, i have the absolute nuts. so, i didnt think there was even a slight chance MP2 reraises.

clearly, i should have done a better job of level one thinking and gone for it anyway. thanks again.
Two more points regarding reraise
1. In the level you are playing now most people cannot get away from 2nd best hand, especially if they are drawing to them and hit them, with 5 callers on the flop at least some of them are drawing for 2nd best hands

2. In higher level when people pay attention raising with the nuts and letting people see that gives you some credit, which allows you to reraise and win half the pot with 2nd best hand


 
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