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02-05-2009, 09:23 PM
Post subject: The hesitation before acting
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Straight
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 210
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My possible formula for microlimits:
0-1 sec delay = you want to say to others "i have something !". Fast c-bet on the turn works perfectly most of time.
3-4 sec delay = i am not sure -> best for inducing a bluff
6 sec and more = it can mean connection problems, multitabling out of control etc, It's not so serious
All what you want is to induce a bluff when you have a better hand or fold when you have worse/vulnerable hand.
It brings extra money...
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asdpikas
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2007
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yeah, timing tells are cool, but using against villains u need to have proof that their fast means X before assuming their slow means Y.
I do have notes on that on a couple villains like:
-plays semibluffs fast
-timing slow when betting big hands
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arborman
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Most of my delays are a tell saying 'I'm folding or making a river decision on that hand on the other table' or 'I'm getting a glass of water'. Don't read too much into response delays, unless you see a pattern in one particular player (like always does a long slow call when he holds the nuts on the flop).
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Sir Pawnalot
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Norway
Posts: 668
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I believe timing tells are very important. But I do not think we can sketch a general outline for timing tells. It is individual and the more hands we play against villain the more accurate our tells are.
0 hands against villain= Do not incorporate timing tells in my decision
20 hands = Timing tell can tip a marginal decision either way.
50 hands = Timing tell becomes a small factor
100 hands = Timing tell becomes an important factor in my decision
200 hands and more = If villain is consistent with his timing I rely heavily on timing tells.
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arborman
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
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The only thing I do watch is to see if the blinds select the autofold when they have garbage. Can be very valuable when it comes to picking up some blinds (and narrowing their range if they don't autofold).
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IhaveTopTop
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 114
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Originally Posted by arborman
The only thing I do watch is to see if the blinds select the autofold when they have garbage. Can be very valuable when it comes to picking up some blinds (and narrowing their range if they don't autofold).
Most of my delays are a tell saying 'I'm folding or making a river decision on that hand on the other table' or 'I'm getting a glass of water'. Don't read too much into response delays, unless you see a pattern in one particular player (like always does a long slow call when he holds the nuts on the flop).
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Blinds: Good point - I really think I need to work on my blind play, so appreciate any help I can get.
Delay: This is the case for me. Plus, add in "messing with the DVR, retrieving the mouse that one of the dogs knocked across the room, etc. "
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harley
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Do people actually take timing into account? Too many unrelated factors to be at all useful IMO. Always seems easier to me just to pay attention to betting patterns, most online players have em in spades.
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LawDude
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 940
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by harley
Do people actually take timing into account? Too many unrelated factors to be at all useful IMO. Always seems easier to me just to pay attention to betting patterns, most online players have em in spades.
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The signal-to-noise ratio is always low when you are talking about poker tells other than betting patterns. In poker scenes in the movies, physical tells are either overemphasized or else the players adopt these exaggerated poker faces that would evoke laughter at your typical poker table, even among pros. In reality, even at a live table, the guy could reach for his chips a certain way or pause for a certain amount of time, and it could turn out not to be a tell at all but simply a result of where his chips are located or the fact that he wasn't paying full attention to the game. Online, where all you have is the amount of time the person takes to act, the situation is even worse.
While I do occasionally utilize a physical tell in my live games, most of the information I process about other players is in the form of how and what they bet and how they react to aggression and passivity, in other words, the same sort of information that good online players gather from their heads-up displays. That information has always been much more reliable than physical tells. And since physical tells are of limited utility, I would surmise that timing tells online are even of more limited utility.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 4,255
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its been said, but its absolutely an individual thing...not a general pattern. it can always be connection issues, which is why its dangerous to rely on.
i note players, too. but, usually its those that use the autobuttons....as those are more reliable than delays.
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