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griffey24

01-21-2009, 06:33 PM Post subject: Help for a PLO newb!

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Hey guys,

So I'm definitely a newb at PLO. I have some general understanding of what hands are good preflop, position, equity etc etc. But I have no sense for when hands are good when I'm raised and stuff. The kind of thing that comes with experience.

Hand 1
-I think the most questionable part is preflop. My logic on the call was that given the table, I felt like my call would set off a wave of calls behind (ie: that would give me good odds on the call)
-however, the call could be questionable given my horrible position, and especially relative position vs PFR
-once I see the flop, I need to go with this right? even though I think there is a straight behind me a lot...

$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($307.40)
UTG+1 ($397.59)
CO ($488.20)
BTN ($334.90)
SB ($382.25)
BB ($379.87)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG

Hero raises to $7, UTG+1 calls $7, CO calls $7, BTN calls $7, SB calls $6, BB raises to $49, Hero calls $42, UTG+1 calls $42, CO calls $42, BTN calls $42, SB calls $42

Flop:

($294, 6 players)
SB checks, BB bets $294, Hero ??

Hand 2
-Wasn't really running any HUD while playing PLO this sesh, so no overwhelming stats. nobody stood out or anything
-This flop seemed like a perfect flop for KKxx
-The flop raise has me worried given that there are no draws
-I assumed that he would 4bet AAxx a high percentage of the time (good assumption?)

$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($188.60)
CO ($56.75)
BTN ($219.50)
Hero (SB) ($327.10)
BB ($182.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is SB

1 fold, CO calls $2, BTN raises to $9, Hero raises to $31, 1 fold, CO folds, BTN calls $22

Flop:

($66, 2 players)
Hero bets $45, BTN raises to $100, Hero ??

Hand 3
-no reads on villain in PLO, but I know that villain is pretty tight in NL and so he probably is reasonably strong
-how's the preflop 3bet vs UTG open?
-Is this a fold to the 4bet, or a call?

$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($235.40)
UTG+1 ($346.35)
CO ($199.99)
Hero (BTN) ($215.20)
SB ($220.25)
BB ($1660.06)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN

UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, UTG raises to $57, Hero ??

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bigspenda73

01-21-2009, 06:44 PM

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Hand 1- really? getting immediately 2:1 and possibly a lot more seeing how it's 6-way. 3:1 to boat up (which is like 30%) sounds nice. Ride the variance way yo.

Hand 2- bleh, really don't like PF you hand is actually very bad I'd just call and top-set mine. I can also see folding PF. post-flop is a gross spot at I'd agree with your 4betting AAxx assumption, get out your magic 8-ball.

Hand 3- call and get it in on a lot of flops, he's turned his hand face up and you still have 75+bbs behind. I would typically just flat here PF but I certainly cannot fault a 3bet. Was your 3bet a pot-sized raise, looks a little smaller than pot, make sure you don't give off any tells this way.

griffey24

01-21-2009, 06:53 PM

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Thanks for the help spenda!

Hand 1 - Is the PF call ok or is that call mega spew?

Hand 2 - ok yah I guess even though its KKxx its a pretty crappy K's. Just figured I was ahead of his button open, but I guess that isn't reason enough to 3bet.

drmcboy

01-21-2009, 07:00 PM

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OK I replied without reading so I can test vs the spend!

1) fine, call now ofc

2) I would not 3 bet anywhere but esp not OOP

as played fold, he has AA almost always, a deuce or Ts full sometimes. If he's good enough to bluff here even better reason not to 3 bet

3) OK 3 bet in general but probably not vs tighty. as played I would just give up

bigspenda73

01-21-2009, 07:06 PM

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also, omgomgomgomg another PLO player

suweeeeeeeeeeeeet

drmcboy

01-21-2009, 07:10 PM

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reading replies

3) I like a fold pre because I don't think we have very good implied odds, people give up on AA all the time on BW flops and we only have 3 cards to make two pair with and if he's really an Omaha nit maybe not even that many.

bigspenda73

01-21-2009, 07:10 PM

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Hand 1 I think the call is fine b/c the BB has AAxx a ton which heavily discounts that someone flatted with AAxx the first go-round and will re-pop.

Hand 2- you are more than likely ahead but you might be like a 53/47 favorite and are going to have a helluva time playing post-flop with a crappy big pair OOP.

griffey24

01-21-2009, 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

also, omgomgomgomg another PLO player

suweeeeeeeeeeeeet

If I keep playing I'll definitely post more, since I don't know what I'm doing lol

Also Hand 1 is lame cause i have top set, but what if I had middle set?

drmcboy

01-21-2009, 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

also, omgomgomgomg another PLO player

suweeeeeeeeeeeeet

this

bigspenda73

01-21-2009, 07:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

also, omgomgomgomg another PLO player

suweeeeeeeeeeeeet

If I keep playing I'll definitely post more, since I don't know what I'm doing lol

Also Hand 1 is lame cause i have top set, but what if I had middle set?

This is what makes PLO harder is that it's tough to run a simulation and see the equity difference.

wingster

01-29-2009, 11:06 PM

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I'm a PLO newb too, and I pretty much agree with the others. I have one comment to hand 3 tho:

ALWAYS fold when I open UTG

jjbish

01-30-2009, 02:15 PM

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Not reading other posts 1st so not jaded by others

Hand 1. Although I love this type of hand, I'd try to see flop as cheap as possible. So from UTG, I'd prolly limp/call any reasonable raise pre.

flop: although someone may have a small rundown, I'd still prolly have my $ in the pot before the BB actually hit his pot btn.

Hand 2: I think you get shown TT or the odd xxx2 here to call his flop bet. Fold.

Hand 3: This is player and flow dependent for me. I have no problem with shipping this here if we were multiway. If he's tite, then I still want to see this flop. May sound weak, but I like a call and evaluate on the flop. I burn less money that way

. The flop could also lead to a huge bluff opportunity if you miss and think he has only AAxx here.

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soulfire012

03-25-2009, 02:42 PM

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I get it in on hand 1, you're almost guarenteed to be ahead of the BB and you have good odds to ship it.

Hand 2 is instafold unless you think he's good enough to bluff here. I would have c/f this flop.

I would fold hand 3 pre unless you think you can bluff him off paired boards and small flops, this is totally player dependent. A lot of the value of calling here I think is being able to bluff him off flops like 567 or 688, because as people have mentioned before most players give up on AAxx when there's a big flop unless they have a piece of it too.

riverturnflop

03-27-2009, 03:20 PM

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hand 1: call.

hand 2: fold.

hand 3: call and bet any flop that gives you a pair or draw.

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