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chardrian

05-02-2006, 04:29 AM Post subject: Help!! - I think I stink

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I rarely,if ever, get pms

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Ok quickly down 50BB at Party. Nothing huge, but I am only giving myself 50 more and then I move back down to 5/10.

***** Hand History for Game 4156744325 *****
$10/$20 Texas Hold'em - Monday, May 01, 20:43:55 ET 2006
Table Ridge Road (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 5: sapakura ( $1108 )
Seat 4: charizard23 ( $126.50 )
Seat 2: jkwon ( $249 )
Seat 3: mukuduku ( $672 )
Seat 6: policajac ( $485 )
Seat 1: Romchopra ( $415.50 )
charizard23 posts small blind [$5].
sapakura posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to charizard23 [ Qd Ad ]
policajac folds.
Romchopra calls [$10].
jkwon folds.
mukuduku folds.
charizard23 raises [$15].
sapakura folds.
Romchopra calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 4c, Ah ]
charizard23 bets [$10].
Romchopra raises [$20].
charizard23 raises [$20].
Romchopra calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
charizard23 bets [$20].
Romchopra raises [$40].
charizard23 ???

Do I give the flush/str8/2 pair credit here and move on, or am I sorta confined to calling down now since so many semi-bluffs seem so damn prevalent on this site?

Also - I know it is early, but what stats in PT should I really be focusing on.

My sample is SUPER SMALL (I realize that) at just over 500 hands but it should give an idea of what I am leading towards at least.

At this point my VPIP is just over 22%. My W$WSF seems low to me at 35%.

Also what does PT define a steal as?

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elipsesjeff

05-02-2006, 04:41 AM

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22 vpip isnt THAT horrible but you could be doing better. At only 500 hands your sample is way to small to really make any inferences.

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outphase

05-02-2006, 05:50 AM

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A steal is defined as an open raise from the button

Quote:

Originally Posted by lambchopdc

Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.

Fnord

05-02-2006, 06:51 AM

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Why are you playing short stacked?

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chardrian

05-02-2006, 02:59 PM

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I just lost a $120 pot the previous hand - the reload occurred too late.... and I was thinking that was going to be the first thing noticed. Cuz even I know that did stink.

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Miffed22001

05-02-2006, 05:30 PM

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call the flop, 3 bet the turn? maybe just call down but definatly call the river, see why the guy wants to limp then punish his mistakes accordingly.
im going to showdown for the simple knowledge of how to extract the most/lose the least in this sorta situation.

i havent played 10/20 (yet, end of the week) so is it the same dire play as at other levels, low pp or passive with weak ace who hasnt enuf balls (skill) to raise?
def go to showdown, but im calling flop, 3 betting turn calling river and showing down no matter what. Opps limping range is much more imp than just the bets won/lost on this one hand imo.

personaly, PT tells me two things about my opps i need to know
1. do they limp? if so WHY and WHAT? this tells me what range to play behind them when they limp and why. Often a limper into the pot is my sign to limp any two sooted cards because pps and Ax limp (or they do on prima)
2. are they prepared to showdown weak hands that appear to be good? (good post flop skillz and varied raising range) or are they dumbass stations who think any ace or pp or part of a low board in a preflop raised pot is good.
As a note i hardly ever take ace high to showdown against opps (they do against me in my raised pots) but take middle pair (when ive raised the pot) to showdown nearly 80% of the time, a lot.

vpip and pfr are only important to me for defining where i want to sit at the table not how ppl play play postflop.

outphase

05-02-2006, 08:32 PM

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This looks a lot like raising for the free card and the aggressor not letting it happen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lambchopdc

Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.

chardrian

05-02-2006, 08:43 PM

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I realize that - but with the scare card on the turn is my better option check/call down or keep firing?

The check/call seems like I am losing value to a hand like :Ac: crappy kicker, but the bet/call seems like I am losing one extra bet to what could easily be the frush.

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Rondavu

05-02-2006, 09:06 PM

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If you're gonna 3-bet an aggressive draw douche on the flop, then have the discipline to fold when he hits his hand on the turn.

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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

chardrian

05-02-2006, 09:37 PM

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ok here's my prob with that analysis rondavu:

1) I don't see how calling his flop raise is +EV at all when I am first to act.

2) the fact that my opp simply called my 3-bet on the flop rather than capped it makes me think that he has a hand like Ac with a kicker that is not a club. AcXc will prolly cap there thinking he has at least 12 outs.

3) the turn raise = flush, a hand like Ac5? which made a str8, two pair or better, or a hand like AcX(non-club) making a semi-bluff, or just a bluff. By the time he raises me it is $20 into a $170 pot. Since he will prolly bet the river as well we are really talking about $40 into like a $200 pot. I dunno - but I think I may be ahead here enough that folding without a strong read is a bad play.

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Miffed22001

05-03-2006, 01:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chardrian

i think the info you get on what opp wants to limp with is worth that $40 anyway. Unless you already knew.
2 bets for a lot more in the long run.
If he calls ur raise with Ax then you can pwn his ass a lot with either stronger aces or just sooted trash that hits like 86s behind. If he had a set then note he either doesnt raise small pps, takes then too far (if he didint improve) or hasnt the balls to open the pot with sooted cards

In thi situation if you dont know what he has that $40 is priceless to me for note taking

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