HELP! Crazy B&M tables! 3/6 Loose/Aggressive

**juke0414** · 07-15-2005 06:57 PM

So there's this card room right by where I live, which is always running at least two full tables on the weekdays and at least three full tables on the weekends. They play 3/6 limit holdem.
I play on pstars frequently at .5/1 limits and am fairly successful at it. The first time I sat at this cardroom I quickly realized that top pair/top kicker was never good. These players are not only extremely loose, but they are extremely aggressive as well. Frequently there will be 5-6 players seeing the flop when it was capped preflop. So I figured I should play three types of starting hands; I would try to limp with all pairs lower than jacks trying to flop a set, I would try to limp in with strong suited connectors looking for open ended straight or flush draws, and I would try to limp with Axs. As for nonsuited cards I figured only AK and AQ were worth playing. I didn't play many hands except for big PPs and big suited aces from early position and added most other PPs and SCs in mid position. Frequently I saw my AA and KK run down by K5o, 84s, and the like.
Now on to another problem. These tables are extremely aggressive as well. I see people capping the turn with pocket 8s when the board is A5J9. People bluff more than they should, fold less than they should, chase with horrid pot odds, and play every two cards. Obviously I know when I had the nuts, but other than that I seemed extremely difficult for me to play against these tables.
Does any one have any ideas, as these tables seem to be shouting to me that they are proffitable, but several racks later im still scratching my head.

**Strung** · 07-15-2005 07:12 PM

I think you have the right idea on what hands to play. Axs and suited connectors/pp's are gonna be huge. The game is very beatable just be prepared for rather large swings.

**A'aag** · 07-15-2005 10:29 PM

You're going to see a lot of variance in your results, but it sounds like you've found a good game. Resist the temptation to play like them and you'll be fine. If you haven't read Small Stakes Hold'em by Miller, Sklansky, and Malmuth, read it.

**jmontis** · 07-16-2005 07:36 PM

you got the right idea, play for flush and straight draws, and sets... these will bring home the bacon.

**juke0414** · 07-16-2005 07:59 PM

Thanks for the info guys, looks like I'm playing somewhat correct starting hands for that kind of a table. But the other problem I was having was this;

Say I'm in middle position and am holding a speculative hand like 89s or JTs, and someone open called and another player raised in front of me. Normally, I would drop SCs against a raise especially since I'm sure it won't be the only raise preflop. However, because there is also likely no one to fold preflop shouldn't I play strong multi-way hands?

How much are the hands that are likely to play well at these tables actually worth playing for? Should I simply only play hands in late position? I obviously understand that my pot odds are going up so I shouldn't drop hands like AA and KK, but what about Axs and SCs?

I feel like if I wait to play hands until I'm in late position with many players and minimal raises preflop, I won't play any hands at all.

Thanks guys.

**ender555** · 07-16-2005 11:35 PM

The reason to not play multiway hands in raised pots is because raises usually cut down on people playing. If everyone plays all there hands there, then you can think of it as limping at a higher stake.

I think if you can count on at least 4 or more people you can play those suited hands that have potential.

07-15-2005 06:57 PM #1
juke0414 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 25	HELP! Crazy B&M tables! 3/6 Loose/Aggressive So there's this card room right by where I live, which is always running at least two full tables on the weekdays and at least three full tables on the weekends. They play 3/6 limit holdem. I play on pstars frequently at .5/1 limits and am fairly successful at it. The first time I sat at this cardroom I quickly realized that top pair/top kicker was never good. These players are not only extremely loose, but they are extremely aggressive as well. Frequently there will be 5-6 players seeing the flop when it was capped preflop. So I figured I should play three types of starting hands; I would try to limp with all pairs lower than jacks trying to flop a set, I would try to limp in with strong suited connectors looking for open ended straight or flush draws, and I would try to limp with Axs. As for nonsuited cards I figured only AK and AQ were worth playing. I didn't play many hands except for big PPs and big suited aces from early position and added most other PPs and SCs in mid position. Frequently I saw my AA and KK run down by K5o, 84s, and the like. Now on to another problem. These tables are extremely aggressive as well. I see people capping the turn with pocket 8s when the board is A5J9. People bluff more than they should, fold less than they should, chase with horrid pot odds, and play every two cards. Obviously I know when I had the nuts, but other than that I seemed extremely difficult for me to play against these tables. Does any one have any ideas, as these tables seem to be shouting to me that they are proffitable, but several racks later im still scratching my head.

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07-15-2005 07:12 PM #2
Strung View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 211	I think you have the right idea on what hands to play. Axs and suited connectors/pp's are gonna be huge. The game is very beatable just be prepared for rather large swings.

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07-15-2005 10:29 PM #3
A'aag View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2005 Posts 174 Location Loyal son of Rochester	You're going to see a lot of variance in your results, but it sounds like you've found a good game. Resist the temptation to play like them and you'll be fine. If you haven't read Small Stakes Hold'em by Miller, Sklansky, and Malmuth, read it.

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07-16-2005 07:36 PM #4
jmontis View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 1,321	you got the right idea, play for flush and straight draws, and sets... these will bring home the bacon.
	take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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07-16-2005 07:59 PM #5
juke0414 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 25	Thanks for the info guys, looks like I'm playing somewhat correct starting hands for that kind of a table. But the other problem I was having was this; Say I'm in middle position and am holding a speculative hand like 89s or JTs, and someone open called and another player raised in front of me. Normally, I would drop SCs against a raise especially since I'm sure it won't be the only raise preflop. However, because there is also likely no one to fold preflop shouldn't I play strong multi-way hands? How much are the hands that are likely to play well at these tables actually worth playing for? Should I simply only play hands in late position? I obviously understand that my pot odds are going up so I shouldn't drop hands like AA and KK, but what about Axs and SCs? I feel like if I wait to play hands until I'm in late position with many players and minimal raises preflop, I won't play any hands at all. Thanks guys.

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07-16-2005 11:35 PM #6
ender555 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 645	The reason to not play multiway hands in raised pots is because raises usually cut down on people playing. If everyone plays all there hands there, then you can think of it as limping at a higher stake. I think if you can count on at least 4 or more people you can play those suited hands that have potential.

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