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Old 02-01-2009, 07:14 PM     Post subject: Is he maniac or not #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) -

39/11/0.6 (28 hands)...not serious

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 8
1 fold, MP raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, MP calls

Flop: (4.7 SB) 5, 8, 10 (3 players)
BB bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP caps, Hero calls, BB calls

Turn: (5.35 BB) 8 (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls, MP calls

Any thoughts after the 3-bet on the turn ?
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Old 02-01-2009, 09:35 PM #2 (permalink)  
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fold. he has you beat.




seriously, CAP and raise/bet river. i dont see what "thoughts" you are after? keep the gas on, you have a 2nd best hand on the hook. (AF of .6 is likely not a bluffer. so far, he's loose/aggressive/passive. he would call down if he was at all afraid of you.)
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Old 02-01-2009, 09:55 PM     Post subject: Re: Is he maniac or not #3 (permalink)  
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Any thoughts after the 3-bet on the turn ?
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Old 02-01-2009, 10:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:02 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 It's LHE and you have the chance to cap a big street w/ quads, do it.

Basically, any hand that will bet/3bet you on the river is likely to do so regardless of weather you call or cap the turn.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:49 AM #6 (permalink)  
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well, i assumed that some1 from you put him on the TT, i did it.....
Now the river comes...


River: (11.35 BB) 10 (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP 3-bets, Hero caps, MP calls

Total pot: (15.35 BB)


I really lost it....

Results:
Hero had 8, 8 (four of a kind, eights).
MP had 10, 10 (four of a kind, tens).

I really had bad feeling that i am beaten, but can you stop raising on the river in this situation ? I think not......
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:57 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Given that you played the flop fast, it's hard for him to put you on 8x or 88 once the turn comes. He might think you have Tx and be pounding the pot with JJ+ or AT.

Keep blasting away. If he has TT them's the breaks.
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Old 02-02-2009, 03:05 PM #8 (permalink)  
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so, it was TT. lick your wounds and move on understanding you would do it again and again and again if the exact situation arose.

sure, TT always crosses your mind, but that had better not be all you put him on. no one reads that accurately all the time. i have him on 55, KK+, stupid flush draw, maybe even J9 if he's a complete retard. there are 15+ combinations of hands he could "feasibly" have here, and I HAVE QUADS. i am not stopping.....ever.

its just too bad this wasnt on a live casino with a BBJ where you need quad 4's+ and using both hole cards to win.....this would then be a brag post!
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:19 PM #9 (permalink)  
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when 2big hands collide, there will be fireworks...

u cannot second guess your play because of this specific result or you will lose tremendous value when he doesnt have TT (95% of the time)
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:07 PM #10 (permalink)  
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A similar situation to yours but a happier outcome.

I don't normally overlimp with 22 but the open-limper and two of the players behind me were pretty weak so I figured a set would get paid off well.

Also I'd been hitting a lot of hands at this table and I think they were getting pretty sick of it.

Open-limper was around 50/35/2.5 over about 100 hands. Never folded his blinds but liked to 3bet with an odd assortment of hands, most of them completely crushed by your range. After which he liked to pay you off. E.g., I open UTG with AQ, he 3bets with Q9 soooted. The flop is AK9, he bets, I raise and he pays me off UI.

Btn had just arrived about 20 hands ago. He was something like 60/10/1.5 and couldn't decide whether he wanted to be a calling station or a spewtard - so he decided to be both. Once he called down with A3 on a KQT7 board then raised the river when he hit a 3. LOL.

I knew BB pretty well and would be a bit surprised if he actually makes any money at this level. He was 35/20/1.7 and WTSD 47% (yes 47%) over >1000 hands. Basically if he saw you bluff once in his life he never folded a pair to you after that no matter how scary the board was or how obvious it was he was beat.

The only question for me was whether or not to cap the flop. I didn't want to chase Btn out with whatever weird garbage he had that might improve on the turn. Also if BB had a 5 I figured he'd pay me off no matter what happened so there was no rush to raise him. The turn and river played themselves obv.


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Preflop: Hero is CO with 2, 2
1 fold, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: (4.33333 SB) 5, 2, 2 (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, Button calls

Turn: (6.66667 BB) 5 (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls

River: (14.66667 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls

Total pot: $136 (22.66667 BB) | Rake: $3

Results:
BB mucked 5, J (full house, fives over twos).
Hero had 2, 2 (four of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero won $133
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:57 PM #11 (permalink)  
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A similar situation to yours but a happier outcome.

Open-limper was around 50/35/2.5 over about 100 hands. Never folded his blinds but liked to 3bet with an odd assortment of hands, most of them completely crushed by your range. After which he liked to pay you off. E.g., I open UTG with AQ, he 3bets with Q9 soooted. The flop is AK9, he bets, I raise and he pays me off UI.

Btn had just arrived about 20 hands ago. He was something like 60/10/1.5 and couldn't decide whether he wanted to be a calling station or a spewtard - so he decided to be both. Once he called down with A3 on a KQT7 board then raised the river when he hit a 3. LOL.

I knew BB pretty well and would be a bit surprised if he actually makes any money at this level. He was 35/20/1.7 and WTSD 47% (yes 47%) over >1000 hands. Basically if he saw you bluff once in his life he never folded a pair to you after that no matter how scary the board was or how obvious it was he was beat.
lol, i love it...
It makes me want to play your limit ....
How the fuck is possible to find such noobs like u did at the limit 3/6$
Any rich uncles wanted to play poker with bottle of whiskey or what....?!
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:42 PM #12 (permalink)  
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This particular game was one of the juicier ones I've been at for a while, especially since all 3 of the opponents i gave stats on went on group tilt after i won a few pots in a row.

Overall though, 3/6 is nice because you do tend to get a surprising number of people who just drop in, lose a big chunk of cash, and drop out. It happens at 5/10 and 10/20 as well but is less frequent and it's harder to find more than one good game at those levels in a session.

What surprises me more is how varied in talent the regular players at 3/6 are. Most are fairly good (if a bit predictable), one or two are pretty tough, but a few are just habitual donators. They play a lot and lose and lot and just keep playing. I don't see how they can afford it but I'm happy to take their money.
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