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zachaser

08-25-2008, 04:48 AM Post subject: Having trouble with Limit- Stars .50-1

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Wanted to post some hands to see if I'm doing anything wrong. I've lost money in just about every session since I started playing, it makes me think I suck ass at limit. This is a list of 7 hands I lost money on in my recent sessions, any advice appreciated.

And if anyone has problems with the format, I've asked for help with the hand converter and gotten no response. And no, I can't just copy and paste it, cause it doesn't work.

Hand 1
PokerStars Game #19878311263: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/25 - 00:04:19 (ET)
Table 'Scorpius' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ason79 ($5.80 in chips)
Seat 2: wildwizardof ($28.35 in chips)
Seat 4: zachaser ($32.25 in chips)
Seat 5: n_tesla666 ($34.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Fargo63 ($11.85 in chips)
wildwizardof: posts small blind $0.25
coreymills: is sitting out
zachaser: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [Qs Kc]
n_tesla666: folds
Fargo63: calls $0.50
coreymills leaves the table
ason79: calls $0.50
wildwizardof: calls $0.25
zachaser: raises $0.50 to $1
Fargo63: calls $0.50
ason79: raises $0.50 to $1.50
wildwizardof: folds
zachaser: calls $0.50
Fargo63: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [3c 8c Ks]
zachaser: checks
wildwizardof leaves the table
Fargo63: checks
ason79: bets $0.50
zachaser: calls $0.50
Fargo63: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [3c 8c Ks] [2c]
zachaser: checks
Fargo63: checks
ason79: bets $1
zachaser: raises $1 to $2
Fargo63: calls $2
ason79: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [3c 8c Ks 2c] [Qd]
zachaser: bets $1

Hand 2
PokerStars Game #19878459444: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/25 - 00:12:58 (ET)
Table 'Pawlowia' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: zachaser ($38.75 in chips)
Seat 2: bennettgw ($30.95 in chips)
Seat 3: KittyCat1234 ($39.60 in chips)
Seat 4: MaxSlayer88 ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 5: SM0131 ($14.25 in chips)
Seat 6: dannyt_101 ($23.30 in chips)
zachaser: posts small blind $0.25
bennettgw: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [Jc Js]
KittyCat1234: folds
MaxSlayer88: folds
SM0131: calls $0.50
dannyt_101: calls $0.50
zachaser: raises $0.50 to $1
bennettgw: folds
SM0131: calls $0.50
dannyt_101: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [6d 4c 2h]
zachaser: bets $0.50
SM0131: calls $0.50
dannyt_101: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [6d 4c 2h] [3s]
zachaser: bets $1
SM0131: calls $1
dannyt_101: folds
*** RIVER *** [6d 4c 2h 3s] [Ac]
zachaser: checks
SM0131: bets $1
zachaser: calls $1 <-- Anyone fold this river? I was willing to bet money the dumbass was calling down with ace high.

Hand 3

PokerStars Game #19878642468: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/25 - 00:24:13 (ET)
Table 'Pawlowia' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: zachaser ($37 in chips)
Seat 2: troubleTRay ($65.05 in chips)
Seat 3: KittyCat1234 ($50.75 in chips)
Seat 4: MaxSlayer88 ($22.80 in chips)
Seat 5: SM0131 ($10.35 in chips)
Seat 6: dannyt_101 ($13.80 in chips)
troubleTRay: posts small blind $0.25
KittyCat1234: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [4s 4d]
MaxSlayer88: folds
SM0131: calls $0.50
dannyt_101: raises $0.50 to $1
zachaser: raises $0.50 to $1.50
troubleTRay: folds
KittyCat1234: folds
SM0131: calls $1
dannyt_101: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [As 7s 9d]
SM0131: checks
dannyt_101: checks
zachaser: bets $0.50
SM0131: calls $0.50
dannyt_101: raises $0.50 to $1
zachaser: folds <-- Just felt like I played this hand shitty on all streets.

Hand 4
PokerStars Game #19878685199: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/25 - 00:26:56 (ET)
Table 'Pawlowia' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: zachaser ($35 in chips)
Seat 2: troubleTRay ($65.95 in chips)
Seat 3: KittyCat1234 ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 4: MaxSlayer88 ($20.30 in chips)
Seat 5: SM0131 ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 6: dannyt_101 ($22.85 in chips)
SM0131: posts small blind $0.25
dannyt_101: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [Ks As]
zachaser: raises $0.50 to $1
troubleTRay: folds
KittyCat1234: folds
MaxSlayer88: folds
SM0131: folds
dannyt_101: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Jh 9s 6s]
dannyt_101: checks
zachaser: bets $0.50
KittyCat1234 leaves the table
dannyt_101: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Jh 9s 6s] [6d]
dannyt_101: checks
zachaser: checks
*** RIVER *** [Jh 9s 6s 6d] [6h]
dannyt_101: bets $1
zachaser: folds <-- Another hand I thought could have gone differently.

Hand 5
PokerStars Game #19878286744: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/25 - 00:02:55 (ET)
Table 'Medon V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: BOSSIMO ($80.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Scott MT ($14.95 in chips)
Seat 4: BrewMaster64 ($17.65 in chips)
Seat 5: zachaser ($40 in chips)
Seat 6: nopkerface99 ($17.20 in chips)
BrewMaster64: posts small blind $0.25
zachaser: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [As Kc]
nopkerface99: calls $0.50
BOSSIMO: calls $0.50
Scott MT: folds
BrewMaster64: calls $0.25
zachaser: raises $0.50 to $1
nopkerface99: calls $0.50
BOSSIMO: calls $0.50
BrewMaster64: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [3d Qs 2h]
raylewes52 joins the table at seat #2
BrewMaster64: checks
zachaser: bets $0.50
nopkerface99: raises $0.50 to $1
BOSSIMO: folds
BrewMaster64: folds
zachaser: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [3d Qs 2h] [2d]
zachaser: checks
nopkerface99: bets $1
zachaser: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [3d Qs 2h 2d] [5c]
zachaser: checks
nopkerface99: bets $1
zachaser: folds <-- As you can see from my hands, I don't know how to play overcards unimproved.

Hand 6
PokerStars Game #19878595908: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/25 - 00:21:19 (ET)
Table 'Medon V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: BOSSIMO ($70.40 in chips)
Seat 2: raylewes52 ($33.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Scott MT ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: BrewMaster64 ($12.65 in chips)
Seat 5: zachaser ($33.25 in chips)
Seat 6: nopkerface99 ($33.40 in chips)
BrewMaster64: posts small blind $0.25
zachaser: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [Kc As]
nopkerface99: calls $0.50
BOSSIMO: calls $0.50
raylewes52: calls $0.50
Scott MT: calls $0.50
BrewMaster64: calls $0.25
zachaser: raises $0.50 to $1
nopkerface99: raises $0.50 to $1.50
BOSSIMO: calls $1
raylewes52: calls $1
Scott MT: calls $1
BrewMaster64: folds
zachaser: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
nopkerface99: calls $0.50
BOSSIMO: calls $0.50
raylewes52: calls $0.50
Scott MT: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Jc 6d 5c]
zachaser: bets $0.50
nopkerface99: raises $0.50 to $1
BOSSIMO: folds
raylewes52: calls $1
Scott MT: calls $1
zachaser: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Jc 6d 5c] [5h]
zachaser: checks
nopkerface99: bets $1
raylewes52: folds
Scott MT: folds
zachaser: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [Jc 6d 5c 5h] [2s]
zachaser: checks
nopkerface99: bets $1
zachaser: calls $1<-- If I'm supposed to fold at some point, I don't know when, cause the pot had gotten ridiculously large.

Hand 7
PokerStars Game #19878716859: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/25 - 00:28:59 (ET)
Table 'Medon V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: BOSSIMO ($67.20 in chips)
Seat 2: LFISALWGD ($21.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Scott MT ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 4: BrewMaster64 ($7.10 in chips)
Seat 5: zachaser ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 6: nopkerface99 ($44.25 in chips)
BrewMaster64: posts small blind $0.25
zachaser: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [6d Qd]
nopkerface99: calls $0.50
BOSSIMO: folds
LFISALWGD: folds
Scott MT: calls $0.50
BrewMaster64: calls $0.25
zachaser: checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 4s 4d]
BrewMaster64: checks
zachaser: bets $0.50
nopkerface99: raises $0.50 to $1
Scott MT: folds
BrewMaster64: folds
zachaser: raises $0.50 to $1.50
nopkerface99: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
zachaser: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [6c 4s 4d] [2h]
zachaser: bets $1
nopkerface99: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [6c 4s 4d 2h] [Kd]
zachaser: checks
nopkerface99: bets $1
zachaser: calls $1<-- I just feel like this hand was horrible all the way around. Villain was a limptard.

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08-25-2008, 08:35 AM

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PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

1 fold, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises, MP calls, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP calls

Flop: (10.0 SB) 3

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP calls

Turn: (6.5 BB) 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero raises, MP calls, Button calls

River: (12.5 BB) Q

(3 players)
Hero bets?

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asdpikas

08-25-2008, 11:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

1 fold, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises, MP calls, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP calls

Flop: (10.0 SB) 3

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP calls

Turn: (6.5 BB) 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero raises, MP calls, Button calls

River: (12.5 BB) Q

(3 players)
Hero bets?

copy/pasted

If you raise the limpers, 4bet the button limp reraise, it looks fishy, a small pair or SCs... plus you will benefit if you get anyone else out.
as played, def. c/r the flop and lead turn and river

Fnord

08-25-2008, 11:43 AM

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No one is folding pre-flop. Raise the flop please.

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okiman

08-25-2008, 06:32 PM

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Posts: 171

First, there were some problems over the weekend using the hand history converter and posting new threads. They appear to be fixed now. Second, If you have any problems with the new hand history converter, use the old one. All you have to do is copy paste the HH into the input box, hit the convert hand button, hit the select output button and do a copy/paste into your thread. Once you've done it the first time, it's a piece of cake.

As far as the hands, I'm not as experienced as most others here, but I'd play many of these hands differently. Several have commented on hand #1.

Hand #2, I'd play the same way.

Hand #3, fold preflop.

Hand #4 is read dependent. What did you know about your opp? It's also interesting you play exactly the same HU w/ AK as in multiway pots. This is the one hand where you very well may have been ahead with all the draws out there on this board. Checking the turn is giving up, which should be done in multiway pots, but HU you've still got a chance to win the pot with a board like this (against the right opponent). Fold to a raise though.

Hand #5, why raise pf out of the bb w/ AKo in a multi-way pot? No one is folding pf, you're OOP the rest of the hand, and you're very unlikely to win unimproved. By raising, you seem tied to the pot and you're going way too far w/ a hand you are losing with. You might be drawing dead and are very likely drawing to only 3 outs. Fold.

Hand #6, same as #5 except an UTG limp, then RR is often times AA/KK at these limits. Get reads on your opponents. Was he limping UTG a lot? What was he limping with and then reraising? It's a rare opponent at these levels that will limp and then reraise w/ trash.

Hand #7, you've got the same opponent that limp reraised earlier UTG and now he's playing aggressively on a flop after another pf UTG limp. Your read from hand #6 can help you here. Regardless of the read on the opponent, what exactly are you ahead of here? This is likely a pp 66+, or a 4 you're up against.

A final note: your pfr and flop aggression w/ AKo unimproved, followed by c/c the turn/river is very predictable and unprofitable. You've got to mix up your play, pay attention to what type of player(s) you're up against, be aware of the number of opponents in against you, and not c/c down w/ A high so much.

Chopper

08-28-2008, 05:39 PM

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if FTR doesnt work....for you....use another. there are billions of converters out there. find a backup.

to the hands...

hopefully i get told if i am giving these hands poor advice...

1- i dont often raise o/s broadways from BB if its multi-way w/o reads. and, i certainly dont c/r turns in 3bet pots with KQ and only the K. nice river, tho.

2- yes, villain has the A, but you still cant fold in case he doesnt. your hand still has SD value for a decent sized pot, imo.

3- why are we 3betting 44 and not posting our read? if we have one, maybe its fine. but, otherwise, its big spew.

4- since you fired...bet the scare card as 2nd barrel, and then give up. you get free sd and you may fold him off. fold river, he likely flopped a pair anyway.

5- oop 4ways with a whiffed AK and you cbet? wow.

6- AK from the BB IS a fine raise, but a cap when everyone comes along? suited, definitely. o/s, nope, just call the 3bet. dont bet the whiff (because you capped i kind of see why, but its still bad because of all thats in the pot.). fine call the .50 off and look for improvement to cooler the shit out of you on the turn. as played, fold turn please. why are you still drawing? no way you are ahead.

how the hand goes if i'm in...raise pf. call 3bet. (3 sbs from me) c/c one sb on flop. (4 sb's invested) and, c/f turn.

you spent 10 sb's in this pot on a whiffed AK!! that is 6 more than i do, and i may be making a loose flop call. thats 3 BBs total...good luck getting those back over the next 100-200 hands. do you see now how these mistakes add up? look at all the work you created for yourself because of this ONE hand.

7- yeah, limptard plays back at you...limptard has something. 77+/naked 4. dont matter. more spew. just call the flop raise and take it from there. you are still too vulnerable to overcards to get crazy on the flop against limptard that RAISED you.

now, here it comes directly from my horrible-playing ass. you say you dont know how to play ui overcards. fine. those are tough. but, it doesnt look to me like you know how to stay in position, either. you are too aggressive when oop. and, you are bloating pots with very marginal stuff. stop thinking they are "playing back at you." this is LHE with crappy fundamentals. they are raising you with at least a pair...your ui AK is dogmeat in multiway pots. and, you arent going to MAKE them fold once they announce they are sticking around. this isnt NL anymore.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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