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Old 04-25-2006, 03:48 AM     Post subject: Haven't posted some hands in a while... #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1
UTG is 22.7/10.9/1.81 and he had raised me on the flop for a free card too many times and I had decided to use the stop n go as soon as I saw the flop. Not sure how the button calling affects this play though. I figured he was drawing for a flush.

How do I play this if a non-heart ace comes on the turn or river? I will give UTG credit for at least an ace. I had a similar hand with the same player where an ace did come on the turn, and it was not good.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, K.
UTG raises, 6 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 2, K, 4 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Hand 2
Interesting hand with a 39.8/10.4/6.15 maniac

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, K.
7 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) K, 6, 7 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 8 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Hand 3
Not sure what's going on here...I think I go for that flop check raise too much, but I didn't want to 3 bet this and I didn't want to call, so I guess folding seemed best.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T, K.
3 folds, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K, 4, 6 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Button raises, Hero folds, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) A (2 players)
MP2 bets, Button calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB



And the usual funny hand:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, UTG folds, Hero caps, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 4.75 BB
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Old 04-25-2006, 04:40 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 1) Fold Preflop. You have no equity and horrible reverse implied odds. Also, Why stop n go on the turn? Stop it, Your hand is very weak and you would like to see a showdown pretty cheap. If he checks behind, then bet the river.

2) If your read is a maniac then it looks good. The river may not have been so bad for you, considering he donk every street I think he's outkicked here more than often and you could *possibly* even raise the river on him as well.

3)Should have either donk bet or 3-bet the flop. You don't need to checkraise in a full ring game when there are less than 5 opponents in the pot. I think I wrote a full ring guide sometime somewhere on this site that explains my very reasoning.

4) Probably misclick, I'd be disappointed.


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Old 04-25-2006, 10:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1) Fold Preflop. You have no equity and horrible reverse implied odds. Also, Why stop n go on the turn? Stop it, Your hand is very weak and you would like to see a showdown pretty cheap. If he checks behind, then bet the river.

2) If your read is a maniac then it looks good. The river may not have been so bad for you, considering he donk every street I think he's outkicked here more than often and you could *possibly* even raise the river on him as well.

3)Should have either donk bet or 3-bet the flop. You don't need to checkraise in a full ring game when there are less than 5 opponents in the pot. I think I wrote a full ring guide sometime somewhere on this site that explains my very reasoning.

4) Probably misclick, I'd be disappointed.
Thanks for your comments jeff.

A sad attempt to make this thread more interesting:
hand 1...what do you call with here, with a raise and 1 caller? SSH's guide is WAY too simple (and often too tight I believe) when it comes to this. What if there is just 1 raise and no callers? I'll admit that traditionally the lowest I go in this spot in general is most offsuit broadways. SSH says to dump even KJo, which I don't agree with.

Obviously the idea is to loosen up the more people that are in the hand with a raise. What kind of crap would you call with if there were 5 players in for a raise?

hand 2
I partially showed this hand because I would never play this way against a standard player. I think it shows the neccessary ajustment to someone with such a high aggression factor. But to raise the river or not is an interesting question. If it was a blank, such as a 2, I probably would have raised him. The 7 scared me though.

hand 3
OK this happens to me a lot and I've been experimenting with all sorts of plays. Suppose there is a preflop raiser that will act after me on the flop, but I flop something decent like this hand, top pair with a not so good kicker. How do I deal with this?

If there are others in the hand and the preflop raiser is to my right or at least close to my right, I like the check raise. The preflop raiser is probably going to be checked to, and then bet with any flop, and then I raise, hopefully knocking out others that maybe hit a pair or a weak draw. I believe this play is mentioned in SSH, but I haven't really tried using it until recently.

If there are others in the hand and the preflop raiser is to my left, I have trouble with this. I can bet out, and then often be raised by the preflop raiser (sometimes with nothing, which is good) but then sometimes 1 or 2 others will call 2 bets. I think the stop n go would be a good play here IF no one else calls the raise. Check raising is no good here, but I could check/call the whole way, which is probably too weak.

I will try to get better hands next time.
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Old 04-26-2006, 04:49 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 4
I kinda like this. Maybe I'm being too loose on the BB. Is there a PT stat to see how often I call a raise from the BB?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 7.
5 folds, MP3 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7, 3, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

Hand 5
kinda the same thing. I know he's going to bet and I'm fairly certain he doesn't have a pair.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 6.
UTG raises, 7 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7, 8, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (6.25 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB
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Old 04-26-2006, 05:49 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 I have a theoretical question for you about your hands. There is no right answer but may get your mind in the right train of thought.

Do you want him to fold a worse hand to you here?


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