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Old 01-23-2009, 09:45 PM     Post subject: hand 9... #1 (permalink)  
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players are rather unknown at this point, but MP is giving me the impression that he is a retard-station...

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
1 fold, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB caps, MP calls, Hero calls, SB calls

Flop: (16 SB) 3, 10, 6 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls

Turn: (12 BB) 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB raises, MP calls, Hero calls, SB calls

River: (20 BB) 7 (4 players)
1 fold, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP calls

at what point are we slowing down?
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Looks good. BB might be checking a hand like TT/66/AA on the river once it completes the 4 card straight and backdoor flush. But JJ/QQ/AT does as well, and are more likely for him to hold than a set or aces.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:27 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I don't slow down on that board...you'll be seeing all kinds of hands...most you beat, some you don't, but the fact of the matter is that you'll be ahead more times then not.

I'd be very interested to see what the fish were playing so strongly pre-flop and yet feel like they hit enough to play the way they did post...AA is a strong contender, but so is QQ, JJ, AT and such...

A read on your opponents would be nice as well...is this the first hand you've played with them? do you have some numbers?
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Old 01-23-2009, 11:05 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't slow down on that board...you'll be seeing all kinds of hands...most you beat, some you don't, but the fact of the matter is that you'll be ahead more times then not.

I'd be very interested to see what the fish were playing so strongly pre-flop and yet feel like they hit enough to play the way they did post...AA is a strong contender, but so is QQ, JJ, AT and such...

A read on your opponents would be nice as well...is this the first hand you've played with them? do you have some numbers?
i put the only read i could provide at the top, as i try to do. obv, some are more sophisticated than others. rest assured, this was very early in my session at this table, and i HAD reads later that would have come in handy...but, didnt have them yet, so it wouldnt be fair to give you more info than i had...lol.
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Old 01-24-2009, 12:54 PM #5 (permalink)  
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You've got one opponent in this hand and two donators by the looks of it. BB's range is probably TT+ but he could also be doing something silly with AK or whatever.

I'm 3 betting the turn given that it's four way and we're ahead a good chunk of BB's range and the other two are probably drawing thin or dead. If BB caps the turn then I slow down.
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Old 01-24-2009, 02:22 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Yeah, I missed the statement at the top. I guess I got caught up in the hand first

I wasn't trying to imply that hand was played wrong, I am just trying to impress on other readers the importance of reads
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Old 01-24-2009, 06:41 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I'm 3 betting the turn given that it's four way and we're ahead a good chunk of BB's range and the other two are probably drawing thin or dead. If BB caps the turn then I slow down.
this is what i really felt like doing. i felt i had 2pr/set hands or QQ- in there with me along with stupid draws out of the idiots. but, i backed off thinking it was too aggro for the number of players in the pot. hmmm. HU i am cranking this pretty much to the end based on the texture of the board and typical HU play.

i also pulled back because i felt i couldnt thin that field out at all, and only an overpair was hurting on this draw heavy board (lots of combined outs against me with 3 players). SB had already called 2 cold on the flop, and MP wasnt going anywhere, either. so, i felt 3betting was overplaying this hand with only one pair.

is that good enough reasoning to slow up, or is that being a total puss?
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Old 01-24-2009, 11:11 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I'm 3 betting the turn given that it's four way and we're ahead a good chunk of BB's range and the other two are probably drawing thin or dead. If BB caps the turn then I slow down.
this is what i really felt like doing. i felt i had 2pr/set hands or QQ- in there with me along with stupid draws out of the idiots. but, i backed off thinking it was too aggro for the number of players in the pot. hmmm. HU i am cranking this pretty much to the end based on the texture of the board and typical HU play.

i also pulled back because i felt i couldnt thin that field out at all, and only an overpair was hurting on this draw heavy board (lots of combined outs against me with 3 players). SB had already called 2 cold on the flop, and MP wasnt going anywhere, either. so, i felt 3betting was overplaying this hand with only one pair.

is that good enough reasoning to slow up, or is that being a total puss?
The more I think about it, the more indifferent I am to either play.

The advantages of 3betting are that we get extra value from the calling stations when we're ahead, and we may get the option to check behind on the river if an Ace comes. The main disadvantage is that BB can hammer us with AA/TT. OTOH, he might also cap the turn with QQ/JJ or even AT which would obv. be great for us.

So I think the answer is that the correct play is to do anything but fold.
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Old 01-24-2009, 11:28 PM #9 (permalink)  
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i guess its a bit moot cause i'm running rather sick right now. i just wanted to know how hard to push this micro-edge i may or may not have.

BB had QQ. MP drug 67 all the way down and rivered us both!

when BB said, "WTF?" in the chat, i followed with "LOL" and MP says, "what are you laughing at? i was the preflop raiser."

and, i just followed with "well, that explains it" and left it at that. crazy sick, but those are the micros in a nutshell.
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