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mojoNOgo
Old 12-25-2005, 05:45 AM     Post subject: great way to kill pocketKs #1 (permalink)  
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^ my kings that is.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K, K.
2 folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) 8, 7, 4 (5 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 raises, CO folds, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (16.75 BB) J (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

River: (18.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 20.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks Kc (one pair, kings).
MP3 has Ah As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP3 wins 20.75 BB.
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i knew preflop i was up against a high pocketpair , yet i held some hope he was playing JJ-QQ.

was that misread my fatal mistake? or would you have played KK to win ?
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Old 12-25-2005, 09:43 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Beyond the flop, MP didn't play back at you... where's the problem? You didn't lose as much as you could have. I highly doubt you'd fold to a turn raise given you have a flush draw and you definitely won't fold on the river to 1 bet.
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Old 12-25-2005, 03:24 PM #3 (permalink)  
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This pot is out of control. Luckily, other people folded.

I would have checked/called the flop with the intention of check-raising the turn. If you don't show that aggression on the flop, MP3 is pretty sure to bet again on the turn, and then you check-raise. This will accomplish two things. First, if MP1 had a flush draw, a call on the turn would have been incorrect. Two, it'll slow down MP3 most likely, and he'll (hopefully) go into calldown mode.

In the end you'll increase your winning chances (or sweeten the pot if MP1 cold-calls) and probably slow MP3 down. If he re-raises you, I would just call-down. He probably has you beat, but that possibility of a flush on the river is enticing.
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Old 12-25-2005, 04:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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This pot is out of control. Luckily, other people folded.

I would have checked/called the flop with the intention of check-raising the turn. If you don't show that aggression on the flop, MP3 is pretty sure to bet again on the turn, and then you check-raise. This will accomplish two things. First, if MP1 had a flush draw, a call on the turn would have been incorrect.
This pot is big enough based on the preflop action that calling with the flush draw would never be incorrect no matter how the betting goes the rest of the way.
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Old 12-25-2005, 06:44 PM     Post subject: thanks for the feedback ! #5 (permalink)  
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i feel alot better about this hand now !

i was afraid i was too aggressive on a flushdraw flop - even with the turn coming club and the chance of me hitting another club on the river. obviously he had me on the flush or even the straight w/ the 9river.

i wasnt sure if others would play their pocketpair this aggressively.

as for the checkraise on the turn, i was afraid id just be drawing dead into a made flush/straight. altho all his preflop action made me question any suited hand other than AKs.
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This pot is out of control. Luckily, other people folded.

I would have checked/called the flop with the intention of check-raising the turn. If you don't show that aggression on the flop, MP3 is pretty sure to bet again on the turn, and then you check-raise. This will accomplish two things. First, if MP1 had a flush draw, a call on the turn would have been incorrect.
This pot is big enough based on the preflop action that calling with the flush draw would never be incorrect no matter how the betting goes the rest of the way.
Whoops. Yeah, I meant to say gut-shot or over-card draw. Flush draws are pretty much committed to seeing the river.
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