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Great O8 hand from cash game last night
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dalecooper
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05-10-2006, 02:31 PM
Post subject: Great O8 hand from cash game last night
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4-of-a-Kind
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Tell me if you think this was well-played. It worked out well for me, but I was still mulling it over later.
This is a three-handed cash game with two close friends of mine. We play dealer's choice, limited to 10-12 games - nothing too crazy. Both of my friends are generally tight players, with small variations. One of them is standard TAgg with just a bit of bluff in him; I don't confront him in big pots too often because it's not usually worth the effort (he won't pay off when I have good hands, and he bluffs so infrequently that it's seldom worth running him down when he bets). The other leans more toward weak/tight, but he's developed an inferiority complex because he's the worst of the three of us, and this manifests by him trying to open up his game by bluffing too much, raising in bad spots when his hand is marginal, etc. He'll go on runs of doing this frequently for an hour or more, and if he gets slapped in the head a few times he only does it more.
This particular hand I was dealing and called Omaha 8 or better. I raised with As 2s 2c 3c, and both my friends called. The flop was Js 9s 4s. Both players checked, and my TAgg friend (the big blind in this hand) looked particularly uninterested. He gives off some obvious physical tells when he's prepared to muck, so I figured he had no piece of this. Also, neither of them spent much time looking at the board or thinking of betting, so I put both of them on almost nothing, and certainly neither of them had a made flush. I decided to do something very rare for me in an Omaha game, and slowplay a bit. So I checked as well. I was basically hoping someone would catch a straight or a low draw and get interested enough to bluff - and with my great backdoor low draw, plus the current nuts on the high, that sounded good.
The turn card was the 8c. Great - it completed a possible straight and put a low draw out there. Unfortunately both guys still checked it, so I finally bet about half the pot, figuring to get no action. Luckily the small blind called; TAgg in the big blind predictably folded.
The river was a perfect 5h, giving me the double-nuts. True to form, Mark led into me for the full pot. I figured at this point he had some kind of mediocre high and a good low, maybe A2 or A3. I gave it a little acting job and then the old "you're just trying to push me off the pot," and raised him about twice the amount of his bet. He took the bait and re-raised, at which point I put him all in. He called and showed down J8A2, for two pair and the nut low, and a pretty ugly quartering.
My question: was it a good idea slowplaying the flush the way I did? I wouldn't have been very happy if the board paired, but based on the feel of the hand I just couldn't put either of these guys on a set or anything like that. My initial read was accurate as it turned out - small blind had only a pair of jacks and a backdoor low draw on the flop, and big blind had nothing. I think I really needed two low cards to come off to make any money on this hand; luckily that's exactly how it happened.
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KoRnholio
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Slowplaying 3-handed is way different than if there's 4+ people in a pot in a full ring game. I'd slowplay this too, since it's entirely possible that neither of them even has two pair to fill up against you.
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WhooFleuryScores
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Don't slowplay flushes in O8.People will find a way to suckout even if you fastplay let alone slowplay.
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TLR
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I think I still bet it on the flop, you may only win a small pot, but if the board pairs on the turn you are in trouble
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dalecooper
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Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores
Don't slowplay flushes in O8.People will find a way to suckout even if you fastplay let alone slowplay.
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That's the conventional wisdom. Do you think there's any place for it in a short-handed game where you have pretty good reads on the other players in the pot? I would never slowplay anything but quads or the absolute nut boat (e.g. aces full with two aces in my hand) in a full game with 3+ players involved in the pot.
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