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good laydown or ridiculous play. cant get over it :(

  
 
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:47 PM     Post subject: good laydown or ridiculous play. cant get over it :( #1 (permalink)  
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I still cant get over it. I thought it was the right decision when i made it but considering the size of the pot, i realised it was a hasty one. I would call down this hand ANY GIVEN DAY, didnt know what got into me yesterday (i sometimes will go till the river with AK unimproved and here i laid down a good decent pair)

the pot was huge preflop.

UTG+1 is an old lady, horrible player (calling bottom pair on a flush board, calling top pair on 4-straight board). When she led out on flop after the action preflop i put her on 2 pair or at least an A.

MP3 is very aggro. Doesnt limp in much and usually raises pots. I put MP3 on AK or AA when he 3bet me.

Hero in MP1 with JJ

Preflop: UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 3bets, Button calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls

Flop: A-10-3
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero folds, MP3 calls, Button calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls

Turn:A-10-3-J
UTG+1 bets,MP3 raises, UTG+1 calls

River:A-10-3-J-3
UTG+1 checks,MP3 bets, UTG+1 calls

UTG+1 shows A-9, MP3 shows KQo.
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:48 PM #2 (permalink)  
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oh and it is 2-4$ limit hold em. So pot was 30$ preflop
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:59 PM #3 (permalink)  
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One vote for good laydown. Youve already put someone on the A, so you're already behind. You also put someone else on the K or the Q, so your outs to a straight are tainted.

Just happened to hit your 2 outer.
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Old 06-28-2005, 06:00 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Good fold. It might have been worth one more sb but with your position you would have likely been looking at a raise behind. If the result of this hand affects your future actions in this spot, just put this one out of your mind. The turn and river results were perfect this time for JJ but the chances of it were too thin imo.
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Old 06-28-2005, 06:30 PM #5 (permalink)  
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But here is what ed miller says "all decisions are determined by the size of the pot".
The pot was 15 SB preflop.

I was getting say 17:1 if 2 people called the flop bet.
I had 3.5 outs (2 jacks, 1.5 for a backdoor straight draw).

If i consider implied odds, should i still have called or not ?? All this assuming though that MP3 doesnt raise the flop.

I know i should let it go and i sort of have. But if this situation comes across again, want to make the correct decision.
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Out of position like that and having aggro MP3 behind, I still like a fold here.

If somebody else posted this same hand and cut the HH after the flop action, I bet you would come to the same decision too. The fact that you posted the entire hand leads me to believe you might be a bit too results oriented.
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Old 06-28-2005, 07:19 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Old 06-28-2005, 07:29 PM #8 (permalink)  
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If I were playing this hand and closing the flop action for one bet I'd probably peel one, but with 2 to act behind me on the flop including the preflop re-raiser, I'd have to fold.
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Originally Posted by pokerlearner
But here is what ed miller says "all decisions are determined by the size of the pot".
The pot was 15 SB preflop.

I was getting say 17:1 if 2 people called the flop bet.
I had 3.5 outs (2 jacks, 1.5 for a backdoor straight draw).

If i consider implied odds, should i still have called or not ?? All this assuming though that MP3 doesnt raise the flop.

I know i should let it go and i sort of have. But if this situation comes across again, want to make the correct decision.
Bad Fold, because the information you listed above.

I also would have capped preflop with all those players in for value. I dont know how much you play in a casino, but they bet/call with anything.


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I also would have capped preflop with all those players in for value. I dont know how much you play in a casino, but they bet/call with anything.
B&M players call with anything, they tend to be more careful when betting and downright passive when raising.

The flop puts him in a tough spot as the rest of the field remains to act behind his decision. If you're going to continue, it's a clear raise.
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