going trough my first session earlier this day

I used to bet this flop. Now I usually check if I would have to bet into 3+ players out of position.

Don't fell that you need to raise AQo every time PF from EP and MP, I sometimes limp in this spot just to see if the flop comes down anything I like... on the flop this looks like a continuation bet, don't always think you need to do this either, but with two callers leading the turn is defiantly spewing chips... finally you make the right decision on the river I think I might have made that line on the turn maybe even the flop...

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01

Don't fell that you need to raise AQo every time PF from EP and MP, I sometimes limp in this spot just to see if the flop comes down anything I like...

Not raising AQo preflop is a huge mistake. AQo should most definately be raised every time PF from EP and MP.

How about this one.

after making the jump from 0,5/1,0 I've learned not to play all my AXs (1/2 will learn you this pretty darn fast) and when its 3bet already there is good reason to fold this. When I called I thought Ok with so many callers here I need to see if I make a flush or wheel after all this is a strong hand multiway. Had this been any pocket I'd called this anytime. With my AXs I'm not so sure anymore. Pockets and AXs doesn't play the same. With pockets you fit/fold. With this hand I had odds to call the flop and when I hit my two pair I couldn't get off my hand which Is ok I think. I think the mistake was made preflop.

Overall is it better to fold this preflop simply b/c you end up having odds to call but don't always make that monster hand with AXs.?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, A.
UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 3, 7, 5 (5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) A (5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, CO raises, Hero calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds.

River: (15.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls $1.80 (All-In).

Final Pot: 19.20 BB

Still feeling uncomfortable when HU.

How should I've played this anyways

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8, 8. CO posts a blind of $2.
4 folds, Hero raises, CO (poster) calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 6, Q, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

You shouldn't even be cold calling 2 bets with A5s. Calling 3 bets here coming from UTG and UTG+1 raises is just a huge mistake. This is a VERY VERY easy fold for the reason that you hit a pair on too many flops where you are still completely dominated and lose a lot more money. You are getting very little straight value preflop from a wheel ace, so shouldn't hardly even factor it in. This means the sole value you have is for the flush and that isn't good enough for the cold call.

Originally Posted by StinkyBeaver

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, A.
UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Best table evar!!

I probably grumble at the 3-better and fold preflop, but I would really, really want to play. Without the 3-bet (a raise and 3 cold calls), I can't call fast enough.

Originally Posted by Nehmer

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01

Don't fell that you need to raise AQo every time PF from EP and MP, I sometimes limp in this spot just to see if the flop comes down anything I like...

Not raising AQo preflop is a huge mistake. AQo should most definately be raised every time PF from EP and MP.

If you can't check it on the flop after you raised PF then don't you think it's a bigger leak then not raising PF?

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01

Originally Posted by Nehmer

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01

Don't fell that you need to raise AQo every time PF from EP and MP, I sometimes limp in this spot just to see if the flop comes down anything I like...

Not raising AQo preflop is a huge mistake. AQo should most definately be raised every time PF from EP and MP.

If you can't check it on the flop after you raised PF then don't you think it's a bigger leak then not raising PF?

When would you ever not be able to check on the flop? If you get a really bad flop like this one, then you can definately just check/fold the flop after raising PF. I think it's a much bigger mistake to not raise preflop when you have the best hand and can make the pot bigger for when you do hit the flop.

no that's not what I meant, if you not strong enough player to check the flop, then isn't that a huge leak, don't try to make me sound stupid, if you continuation bet way to much when you raise PF with a hand like, AQo and fell you most bet the flop that is a much, much bigger leak then not raising it preflop...

I agree with fanatic on this one. Raising AQo with limpers in preflop from the big blind is probably a bad idea. Take the check, and get out if the flop misses you. I've learned AQo is nowhere near as good as it looks.

And dont continuation bet it out of position.

NOT raising AQ from the BB in an unraised pot would be criminal.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A.
4 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A, 3, 4 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: (10 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Qc Ah (two pair, aces and threes).
MP2 has Ac Tc (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 12 BB.

You dont think someones probably got your AQo beat? Slowrolling an AK, KK or AA?

3/6, 2/4, 1/2, .5/1 all play diffrent...

Plus not raising it would seriously can screw their hand perception up because if you can do both them the will have no idea at all where you are until possibly it's too late... I think from time to time taking a flop in the bb with the hand w/o the raise always a bad idea… what happens if someone tried to limp raise you? How do you play from there? You’re surely a dog the limp raise PF defiantly doesn’t mean weakens I don’t know plays in the small stakes game making this play on a bluff attempt… I think both plays are good but it depends on the table texture… without the reads and assuming all the limpers are Donks I could argue either way…

Well, you might be right. The main issue is the continuation bets though. He missed the flop, he shouldnt be betting at it OOP.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

You dont think someones probably got your AQo beat? Slowrolling an AK, KK or AA?

Painfully unlikely.

Edit: ...to the second question that is. Once he gets called on the flop and whiffs the turn, it's ok to slow down. "Pushing overcards hard out of position is a real chip burner," I paraphrase Fnord.