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Old 11-23-2005, 09:08 AM     Post subject: GG Rondavu #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Fnord is UTG with Q, A.
Fnord raises, 3 folds, MP2 (Rondavu) 3-bets, 5 folds, Fnord calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9, 3, 7 (2 players)
Fnord checks, Rondavu bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
Fnord checks, Rondavu bets, Fnord calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 6 (2 players)
Fnord checks, Rondavu checks.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

Results:
Fnord has Qd As (high card, ace).
Rondavu has Ah Qh (high card, ace).
Outcome: Rondavu wins 3.37 BB. Fnord wins 3.37 BB.

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Preflop: Fnord is BB with 4, K.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 (Rondavu) calls, 4 folds, SB completes, Fnord checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q, 4, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Fnord checks, UTG+2 checks, Rondavu bets, SB folds, Fnord raises, UTG+2 folds, Rondavu calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 8 (2 players)
Fnord bets, Rondavu raises, Fnord calls.

River: (8 BB) J (2 players)
Fnord checks, Rondavu bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results:
Fnord has 4c Kd (one pair, fours).
Rondavu has 9h Ks (high card, king).
Outcome: Fnord wins 10 BB.

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Preflop: Fnord is CO with 8, Q.
UTG (Rondavu) calls, 4 folds, Fnord raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG (Rondavu) calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4, J, 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Rondavu checks, Fnord checks.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 6 (3 players)
BB bets, Rondavu calls, Fnord folds.

River: (5.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Rondavu bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

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Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with K, A.
5 folds, Fnord raises, 3 folds, BB (Rondavu) calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5, T, 5 (2 players)
Rondavu checks, Fnord checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
Rondavu bets, Fnord calls.

River: (4.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Rondavu bets, Fnord folds.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB


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Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with 3, 3.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Fnord raises, 3 folds, BB (Rondavu) calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 7, 7, 5 (3 players)
Rondavu checks, UTG+1 checks, Fnord bets, Rondavu calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
Rondavu checks, Fnord checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Rondavu bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Results:
Rondavu has As 8d (one pair, sevens).
Fnord has 3s 3h (two pair, sevens and threes).
Outcome: Fnord wins 6.25 BB.

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Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with K, J.
5 folds, Fnord raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB (Rondavu) calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 4, 8, J (3 players)
SB checks, Rondavu checks, Fnord bets, SB folds, Rondavu folds.

Final Pot: 3.50 BB

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Preflop: Fnord is CO with K, 8.
5 folds, Fnord raises, 2 folds, BB (Rondavu) 3-bets, Fnord calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4, 4, 8 (2 players)
Rondavu bets, Fnord raises, Rondavu 3-bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
Rondavu bets, Fnord calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 8 (2 players)
Rondavu checks, Fnord bets, Rondavu calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Results in white below:
Rondavu has Qd Qs (two pair, queens and eights).
Fnord has Kd 8s (full house, eights full of fours).
Outcome: Fnord wins 10.25 BB.


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Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with 8, 8.
4 folds, Fnord raises, 3 folds, SB (Rondavu) calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 7, J, 9 (2 players)
Rondavu checks, Fnord bets, Rondavu raises, Fnord calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
Rondavu bets, Fnord raises, Rondavu calls $0.50 (All-In).

River: (7.62 BB) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: 7.62 BB

Results:
Rondavu has 7h 6c (two pair, nines and sevens).
Fnord has 8h 8c (two pair, nines and eights).
Outcome: Fnord wins 7.62 BB.
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Old 11-23-2005, 05:38 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I'm assuming hand 2(K4o) was based on some sort of read, right?
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Old 11-23-2005, 05:48 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Yeah, based on hand 1 ;p
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Old 11-23-2005, 06:08 PM #4 (permalink)  
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The hand I'm confused about is Hand 4 with AKs. I can't think of any possible read you could have on somebody where that is the right way to play the hand postflop.
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Old 11-23-2005, 06:13 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I'm assuming hand 2(K4o) was based on some sort of read, right?
What do you put him on?

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The hand I'm confused about is Hand 4 with AKs. I can't think of any possible read you could have on somebody where that is the right way to play the hand postflop.
Blank board, we're just starting to mix it up. Didn't feel like going for 2 or 3 bets on that flop and after the prior hands I didn't think he'd go for it again without a pair. As played, I should have called the river.
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I'm assuming hand 2(K4o) was based on some sort of read, right?
What do you put him on?
Qx?

I don't particularly agree with many of these - but the fact that it was a known FTR'r against another known FTR'r means that these turn into 'who can pull the most outrageous bluff contests'

-EV all around.
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Old 11-23-2005, 06:16 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I'm assuming hand 2(K4o) was based on some sort of read, right?
What do you put him on?
Qx?
bahahaahahahahaha

I pretty much ruled that out on the turn.
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If he'll play Kx, why is Qx so out of the question? This was a pissing contest, though.

Agreed on the turn. He either has QQ or nothing. Nothing is far more likely.

We both edit posts too much. You and I both are the kind to post, revise, revise, revise...
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If he'll play Kx, why is Qx so out of the question? This was a pissing contest, though.

Agreed on the turn.
He either raised the turn because he caught (or maybe flopped) big, caught outs or can't call. Qxs that only hit the board once don't fit that criteria and many of those will sometimes 3-bet the flop.

I called the turn because *I* had outs against a lot of possible holdings and called the river both because I felt there was a good chance he was taking a button bet too far and wanted to look him up.
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Pissing contests rock.

Get on vent sometime. Be a joy for you jeff and I to talk
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Old 11-23-2005, 07:00 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I'll bide my time

Pissing contests rule. I loved playing Fnord, even though he has a lot more experience in limit. It taught me a lot, since I consider myself a below average limit player. Just a rundown of my thought process in each hand...

1) With all the check calling I thought it was too dangerous to bet the river. It was clearly a mistake not to fire again. Lesson learned.

2) I felt like I had a lot of fold equity on the turn here. Props to Fnord for hanging in there, though I felt his call down was very loose. I suspected he was willing to call me down for the info. Excellent job exploiting such a small edge Fnord. That's what it's all about.

3) I think I had a flush here. Game over

4) I bluffed him out of this pot. I was stone cold all day. I felt like he would give me credit in this spot, after what he did to me earlier.

5) I put him on overcards here. I wasn't aware Fnord was capable of raising a low pocket. My read went bad. Clearly if I knew he had a pair I would have put away my pee pee.

6) No contest. Missed the flop and trusted Fnords bet.

7) Fnord made a position raise here and I knew it preflop. It was folded out to him in mid/late position, and I had QQ in the BB. I knew he would give me credit for an overrepresentation here trying to one up his weakness, since my image was loose enough, and I wanted to punish him with value anyway so I raised preflop when isolation was already mute point. He then porked my ladies on the river. Damn it!

8) I gave Fnord 3 bets on purpose here. Seriously, it was 4am and I appreciated the exciting competition, so I chip dumped and left.

This table killed me with variance all night. I lost trip jacks to a full house, got my KK run down by a set, lost to a straight on a river when I had top pair ace kicker, and generally wasn't hitting any draw I was being layed odds for. Basically my image is such that if I start hitting stuff my implied odds go through the roof because no one gives me credit. I like it that way on a tight table such as this one. There was really only one total fish sitting.
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3) I think I had a flush here. Game over
Q T? A rag ? Playing a little loose UTG...

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Basically my image is such that if I start hitting stuff my implied odds go through the roof because no one gives me credit. I like it that way.
...because you're going to win stacks when you catch good?
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3) I think I had a flush here. Game over
Q T? A rag ? Playing a little loose UTG...
Yes. I think I had AT spades.

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Basically my image is such that if I start hitting stuff my implied odds go through the roof because no one gives me credit. I like it that way.
...because you're going to win stacks when you catch good?
I just read the table as fairly tight, and didn't want to play bet fold in the hands I was involved in. No stacks, but I wanted to create some passive call down machines.
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Yes. I think I had AT spades.
Ni Han, raise it up!

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I just read the table as fairly tight, and didn't want to play bet fold in the hands I was involved in. No stacks, but I wanted to create some passive call down machines.
Because passive call-down machines are clearing playing badly when up against an opponent who will auto-bet at just about every chance and won't put on the breaks?
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I just read the table as fairly tight, and didn't want to play bet fold in the hands I was involved in. No stacks, but I wanted to create some passive call down machines.
Because passive call-down machines are clearing playing badly when up against an opponent who will auot-bet at just about every oportunity?
They are when I tighten up against my image, which I did for a long time and went from $16 to $90 before variance hit me. Clearly it worked on you, since you still think I autobet every flop.
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