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BennyLaRue

02-18-2009, 02:24 AM Post subject: Getting used to 6-max Rivers

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I'm thinking of making the switch from FR to 6-max. I've never really committed to a multi-thousand hand stretch before where I concentrate solely on 6-max to learn it well, so it's about time.

I've got 30 hands on UTG, well over 100 for the others.

UTG: 79/25/1.8
MP and BB: 30/5/1 types
SB is a solid player

Any river ideas or comments?

$0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with J

UTG calls, MP calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls

Flop: (10 SB) 9

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP calls, Hero caps!, SB calls, UTG calls, MP calls

Turn: (13 BB) 8

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls, MP calls

River: (17 BB) 2

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero ?

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BennyLaRue

02-18-2009, 02:33 AM

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I should probably add why I posted this. Full ring against 4 opps, I b/f this (maybe b/c depending on the raiser). In 6-max, generally players call down with less so not sure if there's good value here or not.

socal1111

02-18-2009, 04:53 AM

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Insta-bet for value! If you get raised, say, "thank you for being at my table" and call.

The biggest difference between the good 6maxers and the great ones: Our... uhhhh... their ability to squeeze every last ounce of value out of their hands, not worrying about the boogey man.

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asdpikas

02-18-2009, 05:40 AM

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bet,
sometimes u are beat, but mostly u'll get paid by worse
Call a raise because of pot odds

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DrivingDog

02-18-2009, 09:10 AM

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bet/call

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

BennyLaRue

02-18-2009, 12:06 PM

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Thanks. What about mixing it up in these two river scenarios? The first is with a solid player leading out with passives calling and me closing the betting. The second is a passive player betting out with another passive calling. Are we calling both?

ALT RIVER 1:

River: (17 BB) 2Diamond (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP calls, Hero ?

ALT RIVER 2:
River: (17 BB) 2Diamond (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero ?

MSG85

02-18-2009, 03:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

River 1:
I think this is a raise, that 2d is a really good card for our hand since we can now beat T9/T8. We're only really beat by AA-QQ, a set, trips, and a straight and no one looks like they have those (if SB is truly solid player a deuce is not a big part of his range here, A2ss is the only hand I see that he could have w/ a 2 and he'd probably c/r river.) . Since the pot is huge SB probably won't fold his top-pair type hands, and MP/UTG will probably call most of their paired hands. The chance to get 6BB of value on the river just makes me drool too much.

River 2:
Raise. This looks like a spazy, dumb bluff by UTG because he thinks the 2 is a scare card and his draw whiffed. MP will probably call, because that's what he does best.

BennyLaRue

02-18-2009, 03:51 PM

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I think this is a raise, that 2d is a really good card for our hand since we can now beat T9/T8.

That is an outstanding point and not one that comes to mind when I play, only on reflection. How to turn that tip into practice now?

I need Miyagi-style repetitive practice. Anyone have cars that need washing?

MSG85

02-18-2009, 04:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSG85

I think this is a raise, that 2d is a really good card for our hand since we can now beat T9/T8.

I really wish I knew

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My initial instinct was just to call here. It took me a couple minutes to see we are almost never behind, unless people took some really funky lines.

DrivingDog

02-18-2009, 04:19 PM

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I'm just calling in both scenarios because:

1) Unless the solid player just had a stroke, he knows damn well his three pair doesn't beat an overpair. With all the action on the flop he's only leading into you with a better hand.

2) Passive tards love calling to the river with bottom pair hands like A2. Now the 2 pairs and he thinks 'yahtzee!'. There's no way you can raise this for value unless villian is a supertard.

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asdpikas

02-18-2009, 04:45 PM

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I agree with dog! he knows his shit!

KoRnholio

02-18-2009, 04:46 PM

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DD's got it right. Plus if we raise it opens us up to a threebet where we either puke call or puke fold. Puke folding the best hand in a huge pot (say the guy went nuts with AT or T9) is a huge disaster.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

MSG85

02-18-2009, 06:11 PM

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I just don't see much that beats us playing the hand this way, so I am raising to get an extra bet from the caller(s). I don't think the river donk means he's strong here, and we are crushing the caller's range.

I guess what I'm saying is that I think the river bet is a bluff > half the time.
Also, I'm a spewmonkey.

asdpikas

02-18-2009, 07:06 PM

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a set would make perfect sense for sb to play this way, snug on turn, donking when board pairs

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