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Gatlin Dan
Old 03-01-2005, 11:03 PM     Post subject: Getting sucked in... #1 (permalink)  
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This was at a pretty loose/aggressive table. I feel I got sucked in by raising pre-flop and on the flop as well. I felt lilke I got tied to the pot and couldn't get away from it on the turn. I'm not liking my hand, but the pot is so big, I can't bring myself to lay it down when faced with calling two-cold. What do you guys think?

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q.
5 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 7, T, K (4 players)
SB bets, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (14.50 BB) 6 (3 players)
SB bets, CO raises, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (26.50 BB) 2 (3 players)
SB bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, CO calls $1.50 (All-In), Hero calls.

Final Pot: 38 BB

Can the implied odds justify making these calls? I felt pretty fishy after chasing this draw down. Let the crilticism begin...
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Old 03-01-2005, 11:05 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Just call the flop. Opening the action back up against aggro opponents was a big mistake.

3 outs to an Ace that are pretty weak, discount to 1 outs
1.5 outs for the backdoor flush
3 clean and 1 dirty out to the broadway straight, so let's say 3.5 outs
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Old 03-02-2005, 06:19 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 you had correct odds to chase a gutshot on the flop. why you chose to raise is beyond me.

there's no way to fold that turn with the nut draw AND the gutshot, so don't apologize for sucking out. SSH tells you to count those 1.5 extra outs with a backdoor flush for a reason. it's also the +EV reason we play suited cards to begin with, no?

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Old 03-07-2005, 06:56 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I agree the flop raise was not a good move. I do think the extra outs for the back door flush draw made drawing a lot more appealling. I guess the reason it felt so fishy, was you seldom have the opportunity to draw to hands facing two bets on the turn. Having the backdoor flush come in in such a large pot after calling two cold on the turn, just felt weird, correct or not.

I am not sure I would have continued to draw on the turn if I had not raised the flop. By me raising it, it bettered the pot odds enough to make me think I could continue to draw. without that flop raise, I might not have had odds good enough to draw to see the river.
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