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sarbox68
Old 10-14-2006, 06:20 PM     Post subject: Getting killed in the blinds? #1 (permalink)  
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Am playing FR $1/2 limit at PR. The following are the position stats for my past 9K hands. (This is the first time I've tried to post an image here so PLEASE let me know if I f-d it up and y'all can't see sh!t......)

http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php...Stats.bmp.html

To me, it looks like I'm getting killed in the blinds. I originally posted some of this info in the beginner's forum and got some feedback that the blinds weren't my problem, I just was playing too tight elsewhere.

A couple of additional pieces of info that may help...

1) I use starting hands from WLLH exclusively. Have started to flavor that a bit with SSHE but not very much.
2) I get pushed out of the SB a lot by PFRs. I'd say more than 60% of the hands have an earlier position PFR, and I do not call this unless I have AA-TT, AKs-AJs, KQs, AK even if it's a LP PFR.
3) I will call a PFR from the BB with the above plus any Pocket, Axs, AK-AT, KQ-KJ, KQs-K9s, QJs-Q9s, JTs-J9s and 87s-54s. In both SB and BB will reraise with AA-TT, AKs-AJs KQs & AK
4) Seems to me most of the time that I play a PFR from BB I then miss the flop entirely (sitting on at best 2 overs w/ no draws), Check and then fold to a flop bet.

So my questions...
1) Any input on the blind pos stats?
2) Am I too tight/ too loose in terms of what I'll play against PFR from the blinds?
3) Anything else that can help me improve this (or other info that I can provide that would be helpful in getting feedback?

For those 9K hands I'm currently running around -1.5BB/100.

Thanks!!!
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Old 10-15-2006, 03:51 AM #2 (permalink)  

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Hi I'm new here but I'll try to add some advice.

- you are definitely too tight preflop. you want to be be at least 22/16 in SH games.

-You also can open up you 3-bet range out of the SB against aggresive stealers. A8 and up I'd 3-bet pocket sixes and up too. KJ+ and maybe QJ depending on my mood. But sometimes I will 3-bet lightly with suited connectors as a variety.

You're going to miss more flops than hit them, and thats why it's important to take the lead preflop by 3-betting followed by a cont. bet on the flop. I actually don't mind calling with AK-AQ at times but I usually take the lead by c/r pretty much any flop. THis puts the decision back to my opponent where if I 3-bet preflop and I bet he puts me to a decsiion of he raises. Of course this again is a way to vary your play.

edit* thought i was in small stakes SH. But I still think the advice is still applicable except for the 22/16 #'s.
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Old 10-15-2006, 05:15 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Your VP$IP of 16 and 26 from the small and big blind respectively is not too much (you can do decently at 20 and 30, I've found), and while you'd like you BB to run no worse than (0.20bb/100) and your SB no worse than (.10bb/100), it's not like you're going down in flames here. A good winning percentage from these positions is around 21% and 10%--your figures of 17 and 9.66 are a little low--you may be folding too much postflop, not playing enough hands out of the blinds, getting poor starting cards, or just getting outdrawn. 9,000 hands is a small sample size.

One thing that does jump out is the combination of your Went to ShowDown%, and your Won$atShowDown%. The former is very, very low, and the latter is very, very high. This does suggest you're folding too often, which may be from timidity, or you just may be getting outflopped. From the data I can't tell, but you may already have some sense of this.

Went to SD% of 38 is all right, and corresponds well to a Won $atSD of 53%. A player with these numbers would be winning about 75 more pots than you per 10,000 hands. Of course, he'd be paying off more on the hands he loses, (say, about 125 hands worth of postflop betting), but the 75 wins more than makes up for that. Food for thought, perhaps.
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Old 10-15-2006, 07:02 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hiya.

I really sympathise, I'm in a very similar boat.

I posted my stats after 4k and arkitekton noticed my BB was killing me.
I started posting groups of BB hands for comment which is really good.

Not only have they identified passivity in my play but also you get a feedback on your postflop play in a variety of hands.
If you're following WLLH then your pre-flop will be fairly solid, so it's obviously a post-flop problem anyway.

Here are a couple of my threads, have you been making similar plays?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-44415.htm
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-44653.htm

I've managed to run better this month 1bb/100 over the first 3k hands.
But the BB is barely better (down from 0.3 to 0.28, which is unlikely to have any meaning over 3k hands).

Fnord said in your other thread that you're not winning enough in other positions, and that perhaps is more of a pressing issue than the blinds?
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Old 10-17-2006, 04:43 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Man, blind play is all about experience, reads, and a little bit of math. My blind play got a lot better once I switched to 6max b/c I faced a lot more situations in the blinds. Not suggesting you should go from FR to 6max but it couldn't hurt to think about it.
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Old 10-18-2006, 04:04 AM #6 (permalink)  
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6 max is definitely the pressure-cooker for giving you experience in the blinds. If you don't feel you're ready, you can think about dropping down a level or two so that the money cost there isn't prohibitive. Also, just spectating some 6-max if you're just not ready can't help but help your game.
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