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Getting donked to death
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nortino
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09-03-2006, 02:03 PM
Post subject: Getting donked to death
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 6
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Hi,
The last couple of months I've been playing on $0.25/$0.50 6-handed tables on Absolute Poker, and in general it's been going well. AP put $20 in my account for me when it had been idle for a while, and in a few months I've turned it into $180, so I figure I must be doing something right. However, I seem periodically (like now) to get into these runs where I just get donked again and again and again, and I can't seem to win a hand for love nor money. I know that donkeys are A Good Thing because they pay me off when I've got good hands, and I know that getting donked is inevitable because they don't take any notice of raises, and cannot be pushed off a hand, but it seems that getting donked goes in runs where it seems that I cannot win a hand, and I'm having trouble dealing with it emotionally I guess.
Basically, I haven't been playing poker long, and I wanted to know how the more experienced of you deal with this . . . should I take a break for a few days? Change sites? Just keep soldiering on and trying to play well? I think it starts to make me play worse, because when I wait for playable hands and play them aggressively, only to see them beaten by splendid trash like 8 4 offsuit, I start to wonder if I should be playing more trash too.
I was also wondering if the fact that I'm playing short-handed, where I know it's correct to play a bit looser, and on low-limit tables, where there's a lot of no-fold 'em hold 'em going on is making the problem worse. Is it an occupational hazard on these tables to get donked so much?
Thanks for listening. Any advice on how to deal with this would be appreciated.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,545
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Variance...she's a bitch.
In all brutal honesty, I would reevaluate your game b/c I have been playing the .25/.5 for about 10K hands and I haven't even been close to a losing session. I am running just under 10BB/100 which is ridiculous. This isn't bragging you see, as I don't even consider myself that good of a player yet. These games are easily beatable if you use proper agression and learn to dominate in the blinds. I've also really gotten better at taking notes on opponents and buddy listing them so I can find my fish much more easily.
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wufwugy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
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im on a 20k 250bb downswing at juicy tables, and i play good.
no matter how you play, losing 13 of your last 15 sets and hitting oesds <10% of the time and all the other greatness that happens when runing bad will kill you.
just focus on your play and play your best. each decision is the most important decision you'll make.
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
Posts: 2,196
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wufwugy, what stakes do you play, and how many total hands do you have logged?
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wufwugy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
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2/4 Pacific.
i can only ballpark my total hands played since i am not using PokerTracker currently (so that means i have zero logged). i tend to dislike estimating hands played since i may be way off, but i do think 20k is close to how long i've been running poorly and hit 250bb down.
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
Posts: 2,196
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shorthanded?
250 bets is quite a few for low stakes either shorthanded or full
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wufwugy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
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shorthanded
there's a thread on 2+2 (i could link it if i knew it didn't violate any rules) started by Qtip about his 100k breakeven streak in which i believe he hit a downswing of 600bb. fullring, too, i believe. a few others chimed in about some pretty bad and long downswings.
and 250bb down is easily the worst i've experienced in what i think may be somewhere between 200-300k hands since beginning playing. this long of a bad run is also the worst. i have been getting absolutely annihilated, though.
some of it is not knowing my opposition as well as is optimal, but most of it is just running really really terribly. there are times when im almost losing my faith in reality because the kind of cards im getting for how long im getting them just seems unreal.
i finally hit an oesd yesterday, before that i couldn't remember the last time i did. over last month i flopped about 5 straights and lost 3, flopped 3 full houses and lost 2, lost almost every flopped two pair, about 70% of sets and overpairs, aces have been getting destroyed, i'd have a bit more money if i just preflop mucked every pocket aces i had last month, large majority of my top pair good kickers have been beaten, mostly to draws, but often to domination (like when i had KQ my one opp had AQ and a Q flopped...happened a lot).
i could go on and on about just getting the shortstick over the large majority of the hands i played last month (and so far this month), and about how i make a good read and raise with a marginal hand on the flop just to get called down and sucked out on by somebody with queen high on a JJ5 board when i have 22, or when i have K7 on a K78 flop, turn and river revealing A2, and i get called down by A2 and river raised.
holding K9 on QJT when another opp seems to have K9 while a third has AK is fun. worst i remember specifically was when my set of 8s was about a 75:1 fave on the flop yet still got runner runner straighted by ace high.
bunch of pot splitting too. hitting draws when i dont need them, and missing when i need them.
just getting a lot of bad cards for a lot of time will kill.
and i certainly feel like 250bb down is rather mild compared to how it'd be against more competent opposition.
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