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Fnord
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08-31-2007, 08:07 AM
Post subject: Getting cute with the ladies.
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UTG is an ABCish TAgg
MP2 and CO are really loose/passive fishy
MP2 likes to donk into PFRs and we've mixed it up a few times already
PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Fnord is Button with Q , Q .
UTG raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, CO calls, Fnord 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG caps, MP2 calls, CO calls, Fnord calls.
Flop: (17.50 SB) 4, 4, T (4 players)
UTG bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, Fnord calls.
Turn: (10.75 BB) 2 (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Fnord raises...
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DrivingDog
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Looks good to me. Hard to see anyone in this pot having a 4. 22, TT and KK+ are the only other threats, and seem unlikely as well from hows it's been played. Raise away i say!
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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TylerK
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Is this one of those cases where you're waiting for the turn to raise because the turn card is going to change your equity drastically? Or is the pot too big already for that?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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bigspenda73
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Nope, don't see what T is in this guys range that he'd be betting here into the field.
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Fnord
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Put people on ranges. I'll argue that raising the flop is a mistake against UTG's range.
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KoRnholio
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Raising the flop really doesn't do much good, it will just bloat the already huge 4 player pot. When a safe turn comes (as it did), raise to get rid of the riff raff with bare aces and whatever else they could hold.
And my stab on hand ranges as the action gets to us on the turn:
UTG: Very likely AK, remote possibility of 1010 looking to check raise the turn after getting 3 calls. JJ+ fires again on that turn I am sure.
MP2: Called cold (not unusual for the fishy guys), and then called cold again getting 4:1. I don't see why this guy couldn't have a JT/QT sort of hand. A4s (or even A4o) is possible, but I think he more likely has a 10.
CO: Probably a flush draw with an overcard to our QQ, that he wasn't aggressive enough to raise on the flop or turn.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
UTG: Very likely AK, remote possibility of 1010 looking to check raise the turn after getting 3 calls. JJ+ fires again on that turn I am sure.
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On the flop, I think the majority of his range is AA,KK,AK. Throw in 1 way to deal QQ and discount JJ/TT/AQ plus the small chance he's got something wierd. Against that range I think raising the flop is pretty bad.
On the turn he all but shows us the AK.
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arborman
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
Raising the flop really doesn't do much good, it will just bloat the already huge 4 player pot. When a safe turn comes (as it did), raise to get rid of the riff raff with bare aces and whatever else they could hold.
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Hard to fault this logic - it's the same in SSHE, my new bible.
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UTG: Very likely AK, remote possibility of 1010 looking to check raise the turn after getting 3 calls. JJ+ fires again on that turn I am sure.
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Longshot AQs as well, but probably AK given the preflop action and his position.
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MP2: Called cold (not unusual for the fishy guys), and then called cold again getting 4:1. I don't see why this guy couldn't have a JT/QT sort of hand. A4s (or even A4o) is possible, but I think he more likely has a 10.
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I think so to. It's possible he's passive or slowplaying something like As4d, but probably not. If he 3bets it becomes more possible.
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CO: Probably a flush draw with an overcard to our QQ, that he wasn't aggressive enough to raise on the flop or turn.
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Makes sense to me. Could be KQs or AQs, or maybe something weaker like K9s or KTs.
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Fnord
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Results: UTG folds the turn, the lemmings call.
River is a blank, I bet for value and both lemmings call.
Lemmings had: JT and T8 I can't remember if they were s00ted or not.
Anyway, if I got AK out of the pot, I found it interesting that by just calling the flop I was able to take away his river card and got it down to 1 out to tie going into the river.
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