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Getting back into poker
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01-16-2008, 11:58 PM
Post subject: Getting back into poker
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PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: iopq is CO with T , K .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, iopq calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (5 SB) 2 , T , 8 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, iopq bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.
Turn: (3.50 BB) A (2 players)
MP3 checks, iopq bets, MP3 calls.
River: (5.50 BB) A (2 players)
MP3 checks, iopq bets, MP3 raises, iopq calls.
Final Pot: 9.50 BB
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I think I have a problem with spewage
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: iopq is MP1 with K , J .
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, iopq calls, 3 folds, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, iopq calls.
Flop: (14 SB) A , K , 5 (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, iopq bets, Button raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, iopq calls.
Turn: (11 BB) 2 (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, iopq checks, Button bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, iopq folds.
River: (14 BB) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Button checks.
Final Pot: 14 BB
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Trying not to spew
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
Preflop: iopq is UTG+1 with , .
UTG raises, iopq 3-bets, 7 folds, UTG calls.
Flop: (7.40 SB) , , (2 players)
UTG checks, iopq bets, UTG calls.
Turn: (4.70 BB) (2 players)
UTG checks, iopq bets, UTG raises, iopq folds.
Final Pot: 6.70 BB
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jmontis
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Full House
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,296
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h1: first hand turn is ok, river is check/call maybe if person has bet light before, but if he's a rock, easy fold. I can even find a fold to a river raise here
h2: i dont bet this board, but button might be raising on a draw? i call his turn bet but everyone else i fold
h3: standard
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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DrivingDog
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 923
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hand 1) consider folding preflop - big unsuited cards are hard to play multiway. A puke-fold on the river seems ok. In my experience 95/100 times a typical villian has us beat.
hand 2) consider folding preflop. Betting into the pf raiser here is not really ideal for a few reasons: a) there's a good chance he has a big Ace that he'll raise; b) even if he doesn't there's a very high chance you're behind someone else, meaning you're bloating the pot when you need to improve to win; c) you can improve and still not win...C/c the flop, fold the turn UI .
hand 3) i would call down if i thought opponent was laggy. otherwise i would play it the same.
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snowboard_31
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 206
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hand 1 and 2 i would fold preflop, hand 3 played the same.
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1. Get a seat to their right
2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
"It should be a crime to not bet if someone has checked to you twice."
-soupie
"If you can pinpoint a player's range, you can own his soul."
-Bond18
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by snowboard_31
hand 1 and 2 i would fold preflop, hand 3 played the same.
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I'm following SSH preflop tables... because there were about 6 people to the flop every hand
But the second hand, I didn't pay attention to who raised, I guess I should be paying more attention to the game and not surfing the web
I think that 2-tabling is actually making me pay LESS attention to the game because I spend that time doing other things
But, yes, I was discussing the first hand on the ventrillo and I also came to the conclusion that I can only win 95% of the time there... on Stars, people check/raise a lot more, I have to watch out
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Isac
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2
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Same as snowboard_31
Don't always play like the charts recommend, if is had been K10s it would be an easy call but K10 is difficult to play multiway
H1, on river I would recommend to just check, his line fits together with a flush draw or Ax.
H2, you are in bad position and can't know if anyone behind you are going to raise
H3, check/call/fold depending on reads, else just fold.
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snowboard_31
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 206
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KTo/KJo are super tricky hands I find, some people may be able to play it in that spot but I cant. Quoting SSH it "tends to make top pair hands that do very poorly in multi way pots", and I personally cant get away from them. Just like Isac said right above here KTs would be an easy call because of the flush possibility which gains alot of equity in a multi way pot
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1. Get a seat to their right
2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
"It should be a crime to not bet if someone has checked to you twice."
-soupie
"If you can pinpoint a player's range, you can own his soul."
-Bond18
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Hermann the Lombard
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 270
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Too many hands in one post (also did you have any reads at all?) but let me see if I can grunch this...
Hand One. I had a virtually identical hand last night with two exceptions: I raised PF (which would have been OK if I had been iso-raising behind *one* loose limper with fairly tight blinds) and I folded the river. Unless you think your villain is capable of a c/r bluff here then you're probably beaten and the pot isn't that big. I would fold.
Hand Two. Too many villains, at least one of them has an Ace. You could check/call one bet but check/fold is probably better.
Hand Three: You'll read over and over that the turn c/r is almost always 2 pair or better. I don't think that 7.7:1 is enough to continue when you may only have two outs.
They don't call KJ a trap hand for nothing.
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