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Surf_Thug

04-12-2005, 11:39 PM Post subject: Is This game Beatable? You have never seen anything like it.

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I play poker at a local club. The purpose of the club isn't for poker, therefore, the players are horrible, usually totally wasted, and somehow, super super wealthy..

We play 2-4 & 3-6 hold em.

Basically everyone is wasted, aside from myself. They raise 4 times pre-flop reguardless of cards. So the 3-6 game gets capped to $12, sometimes before people even look at cards. The pot is jammed with 4-5 players, raises/re-raises with bottom pair. Just absolutely horrible poker. They will play to the river with Jack high. Somehow though I always find myself getting beat. AK gets beat by a small two pair.

Is it possible to play tight enough to beat this game?

I usually come out $20-40 ahead, but considering most of the players lose $200 or more a night it seems I should be making more..

Any tips on beating this mess??

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Fnord

04-12-2005, 11:53 PM Post subject: Re: Is This game Beatable? You have never seen anything like

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Originally Posted by Surf_Thug

Any tips on beating this mess??

Play really tight, you can beat this game playing only 5% of your hands, but it's like watching grass grow.

I would play only play these hands in a wild game:
AA,KK,QQ,JJ,AK,AQ,AJs,ATs,KQs

Throw in TT-22 for set value if the flops are multi-way enough (if it's capped you want to be 6+ way) and/or you get in from the blinds.

The level of pre-flop aggression just doesn't allow you to play a lot of hands profitably.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

MannerBoy

04-13-2005, 12:15 AM

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Play really tight, you can beat this game playing only 5% of your hands, but it's like watching grass grow

Really good one...

Fnord u are my hero ... i was laughing the whole night since i read it ~

Fnord for president !

mgobluefb

04-13-2005, 01:27 AM

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At first glance I would say you are being bitterly sarcastic, but now I can't tell. Yes the game is aggressive, but it's also very loose. Depending on how many in the pot, it seems like suited broadway and sometimes lower suited connectors are fine to play. Please clarify how only playing 5% of your hands can help you beat such a loose game. Sorry if I am not understanding this right away. Thanks in advance.

Fnord

04-13-2005, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mgobluefb

Please clarify how only playing 5% of your hands can help you beat such a loose game. Sorry if I am not understanding this right away. Thanks in advance.

Because too much money is going into the pot pre-flop, killing weaker implied odds hands and hurting even the stronger ones.

See HEFAP pages 213-215

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

RiverMonkey

04-13-2005, 06:24 PM

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I was in a $4-8 B&M game just last night that fits this description. I made plenty of $$ by sitting back and watching the chips fly around. I only got involved with good cards, good flops for me, and really strong draws. You have to resist the urge to get in there and gamble on too many hands. The rest of the table didn't take that approach, which is why their stacks suffered penty of fluctuations, and only those who were 'getting lucky' had any stack growth (temporary though!)

Players always say that they like to play in games with maniacs like that. I agree 100%, these kind of games can be very profitable. HOWEVER, those same people also always say that they either make a lot of $$ if they are hitting cards, or lose alot if they are not . IOWs, those who are 'getting lucky' have their stacks grow quickly, and those who aren't have their stacks shrink quickly. BUT, even the lucky ones who continue to play fast and loose like that eventually end up giving it all back.

Follow Fnord's/HEFAP's advice, then you'll avoid this variance to a large extent. On average, you'll win HUGE pots when you get involved, but only suffer smaller off-setting stack shrinkage by sitting back.

The key is to be aggressive, but more selective relative to how you would play in more passive games.

RiverMonkey

04-13-2005, 06:36 PM

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Another thing to keep in mind here is that the sudden addition or subtraction of the maniac element can change the game in an instant.

For example, a maniac or two comes to the table, and 3 out of 4 hands are capped pre-flop and almost the same number are capper on the flop too. You get in there and gamble taking some weaker holdings to the flop and turn for many BBs, but you don't hit any cards for 1/2 hour. Result: you lose many chips.

Then, the manical players leave, and all of a sudden, the game become more passive, and the average pot size gets MUCH smaller. It then become VERY hard to win back what you gave away on those huge maniac pots.

Alternatively, you only get involved in only 1 pot in that maniacal 1/2 hour and win one HUGE pot. Now, when the game changes back to a more passive one, you've got lots-o chips to play your usual game that's, on a relative basis, a little looser than you played during the maniac moments.

You have to continuely adapt to the table, and the key to doing that is you have to continuely monitor the game's texture.

Fnord

04-15-2005, 02:52 AM

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Yeah, one of two "live ones" can drastically effect the game. Now suddenly the guys playing every other hand (or more) and playing bigger pots and will make all sorts of weird adjustments. You'll see the maniac(s) 3-bet by weaker holdings and capping it off "for fun."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Element187

04-15-2005, 03:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

what? you never cap it for fun ?

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