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Fnord

10-08-2005, 09:32 AM Post subject: Funny little 2/4 hand

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

Fun table.

UTG is a horrible player and will fold when he misses
UTG+1 is playing 75% of his hand and loves to donk bet. Has been lucking into bluff spots and cards. I was a little steamed when he rivered his pair when I had him caught with AJ unimproved in a prior hand.
I've been pushing hands. Was on a $150 rush, but I've probably dropped the last 6 pots I've been in and played a couple of them fast.
MP2 (HJ) is by far the best 2/4 sLAgg I've ever seen. He's playing a good but loose mix of hands, raising a fair share up and picking good spots to get aggro. Not letting me run over the table. Granted, I haven't played with him before and this could be a sample size issue...
CO&BN are both too tight
SB is kinda boring player with leaks, little loose/passive
Same impression of the BB

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Fnord is MP1 with 8

, 6

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Fnord calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3

, 2

, 5

(6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Fnord bets, MP2 calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 4

(6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Fnord calls, MP2 raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Fnord caps...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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euphoricism

10-08-2005, 03:32 PM

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Looks about standard for a thinking player. Marginal hand, but thats what you want -- marginal stuff that pays off big when you hit and loses next to nothing when you miss.

You said table selection was the most overlooked aspect of the game -- this is precisely why. Youve got a loose table where you can limp suited one gappers in a position you generally couldnt (mp1) because you know mp2 and onward are coming for the ride, giving you great implied odds. Now you're in a spot to win big when you hit and lose next to nothing when you dont.

Interested to see what the river card is. Someone could be drawing to the split here, and thats disappointing.

A'aag

10-08-2005, 03:45 PM

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I play pf and flop the same. You can be pretty sure with this group you'll get enough callers that the flop bet is for value.

Maybe I'm too obsessed with protecting my hand, but the Ed Miller in me really wants to raise the turn donkbet.

euphoricism

10-08-2005, 03:51 PM

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You can't protect this hand. You don't WANT to protect this hand.

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10-08-2005, 03:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by euphoricism

You can't protect this hand. You don't WANT to protect this hand.

Well I don't want to get into an argument over this because I think you're mostly right, but if he calls he's offering anyone with a 7 at least 8:1, which he can cut to 4.5:1 if he raises.

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10-08-2005, 07:10 PM

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please tell me that the river was the 7 of spade.

and someone else made the backdoor nut flush too.
but then maybe i love miracles

Fnord

10-08-2005, 07:45 PM

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Me give g00t sucky sucky

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Fnord is MP1 with 8

, 6

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Fnord calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3

, 2

, 5

(6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Fnord bets, MP2 calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 4

(6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Fnord calls, MP2 raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Fnord caps, MP2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (24 BB) 7

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Fnord bets, SB raises, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Fnord 3-bets, SB caps, UTG+1 calls, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 36 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 6c 7h (straight, seven high).
UTG+1 has 6h 9s (straight, seven high).
Fnord has 8s 6s (straight, eight high).
Outcome: Fnord wins 36 BB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Fnord

10-08-2005, 08:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A'aag

Maybe I'm too obsessed with protecting my hand, but the Ed Miller in me really wants to raise the turn donkbet.

Most hands are drawing dead to me. A few have 4-10 outs. A few are splitting. I lose to exactly 67. Those hands that are drawing live won't fold here. So I may as well induce the guys drawing dead to keep putting in bets. There is a very strong chance of a turn check/raise given the board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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10-08-2005, 09:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by A'aag

Maybe I'm too obsessed with protecting my hand, but the Ed Miller in me really wants to raise the turn donkbet.

You're right. By 'protecting my hand' I don't necessarily mean getting folds. I'm just as happy if I turn a correct call into a marginal one, or a marginal call into an incorrect one. Or even a correct call into a less correct one. It's also possible that overcards or an overpair will still call.

Nice river. :P

10-08-2005, 10:09 PM

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Nice suckout on the river you fish

Ltrain

10-08-2005, 10:53 PM

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Nice. was your raise on the flop to try and buy the button? I was surprised no one was jamming the pot with an Ace thinking "I'm going to show these guys"...

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