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Chopper

04-17-2009, 05:31 PM Post subject: fun with "image" at the micros..

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"they" say it isnt worth paying attention to at lower limits.....i say in the post UIGEA era it IS! (actually, its ALWAYS worth paying some attention to.)

villain in the first two hands is a complete maniac. but, he can find the fold button when someone goes to war with him. he runs about 46/35/4.5 after a few orbits. but, this read is more post flop, its just that the stats back up what i am seeing...

one...take the shot with the bluff...

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

, Q

3 folds, SB raises, Hero calls

Flop: (4 SB) 2

, K

, 10

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, 1 fold

HERO shows

Total pot: $1.50 (3 BB) | Rake: $0.05

two...since it worked a minute ago, do it again on the scare card since its the only way to win the hand and i dont mind looking like a spewtard on this table...

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, Q

Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls

Flop: (4.4 SB) 3

, 7

, 10

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3.2 BB) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

River: (7.2 BB) 10

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, 1 fold

HERO shows again!

Total pot: $4.60 (9.2 BB) | Rake: $0.20

three...and, do they really think i would be bluffing into 4 players and a 3bet pot???

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, K

UTG calls, MP calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls

Flop: (13 SB) 2

, 7

, 3

(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks

Turn: (6.5 BB) 3

(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks

River: (6.5 BB) K

(4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, 1 fold, Button calls

Total pot: $4.75 (9.5 BB) | Rake: $0.20

Results in white below:
Button mucked K

, 10

(two pair, Kings and threes).
Hero had A

, K

(two pair, Kings and threes).
UTG mucked 6

, A

(one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero won $4.55

i literally havent shown my cards in months at a table, tourney or ring. so, this was fun.

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asdpikas

04-20-2009, 04:40 PM

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hmmm...
i personally dont like showing anything ever, i guess it can be fun to mess with their heads, though...
NH

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For the right to be governed, waste them without mercy.
When you've decided. Meet me at the airport.

LawDude

04-20-2009, 05:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by asdpikas

hmmm...
i personally dont like showing anything ever, i guess it can be fun to mess with their heads, though...
NH

I disagree with this. I think there can be great advertising value to showing cards. Indeed, one of the few things that Phil Hellmuth has said that I ever agreed with is that it is a great idea right after you sit down at a table to show down a couple of bluffs, because it buys you so many callers later on with your good hands. Everyone wants to be a hero and call your bluff.

It's also occasionally helpful to show a hand when you had the goods and everyone folded, if you think you might be able to set up a later bluff with it.

Chopper

04-20-2009, 06:40 PM

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i will play with my raise sizes in the DON tourneys. sometimes i look like i am committing myself, sometimes i shove, sometimes i minraise, but standard is 3X. when i do something out of the ordinary, sometimes i show and sometimes i dont. its nice to stick it in a tilty players face when you bluff him.....if you are on a cold deck....because it gets the good paid off when you have been doing a lot of folding. and, sometimes it helps to show the goods when you run ridiculously hot so they start thinking they will pick you off because you "cant always have the goods."

i dont agree with showing for the sake of showing, though. there must be a reason as to why you showed your cards, and usually the way the session is going will help you advertise your cards a bit.

but, like i said, i havent shown ANY cards for several months. i think its better to keep them guessing 99.9% of the time.

as for philldo the dildo, he has no value in bluffing anymore. he already has a large enough target on him at a table. he's a fool for thinking it helps anymore, imo. and, barry greenstein should show some more bluffs, imo, too.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

DrivingDog

04-20-2009, 06:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LawDude

I disagree with this. I think there can be great advertising value to showing cards.

My sense is this move is pretty transparent. When someone shows me a bluff I figure that guy is never going to bluff me again, but he's hoping I'll get mad and make dumb plays against him.

As far as taunting goes I think there's more subtle and effective methods, like typing 'you suck dumb***' in the chat box.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

Chopper

04-20-2009, 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrivingDog

When someone shows me a bluff I figure that guy is never going to bluff me again, but he's hoping I'll get mad and make dumb plays against him.

which is why it's great against the tilty LAGs. they get pissed.

but, i will also, very occasionally, show a reg my stuff in a situation where i want him to know, for the future, what i am capable of doing. and, that happens only when i know what i am representing....and my hand is not even close to what my line says.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

asdpikas

04-20-2009, 07:53 PM

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i may show cards playing live
too much info when playing online, too easy to take notes.

I WILL take a full note of a player if he shows his hand, where he was, what happened, what kind of bluff did he make, did he represent, fire a scare card...

Anyways, it's not that it has zero value, it's that it has almost zero value FOR ME. I play a very aggro game and i'd rather keep them guessing and not give free info 100%
I use image, but dont try to create it. I try to exploit players tendencies, but trying to set up later plays (in LHE) is not the best way imo.
If they play too tight, bluff more, if they're stations, v-bet thin... exploit their leaks rather than trying to create new "temporary" leaks in their game.

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For the right to be governed, waste them without mercy.
When you've decided. Meet me at the airport.

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