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Old 05-16-2005, 10:30 PM     Post subject: Full table for a 6 max player #1 (permalink)  
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I'm wondering if I was a wuss enough in this hand because of the flush out on the board esp by the river. I'm normally a 6 max player, so I would've played harder on the turn.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8, 9.
Hero calls, 5 folds, Button calls, SB raises, BB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7, A, 6 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Jh Kh (high card, ace).
Hero has 8d 9d (straight, ten high).
Button has 4s As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 10 BB.

edit: ran the HH through the converter
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Old 05-16-2005, 11:02 PM #2 (permalink)  
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fold preflop
cap the flop
bet the turn
bet the river
 
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Old 05-17-2005, 09:31 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Preflop limp is ok aslong as you were at a very loose and passive table. If flops are frequently being seen for a raise or 3-4 handed it's probably -EV.

3-bet the flop for value, you have an equity edge.

I would check/raise the turn but betting out is good aswell. Check/calling the turn is really bad, you have a huge hand and you're just extracting the minimum. Your hand is also really vunerable because of the 3 clubs so you don't want your opponents to see the turn cheaply.
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Old 05-17-2005, 09:34 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hypermegachi
bet the river
Why?

His hand isn't going to be good the majority of time when his bet is called and no better hands are going to fold.
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Old 05-17-2005, 12:39 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hypermegachi
cap the flop
I disagree with you here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
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i cap the flop because i have a huge pot equity to push, even though given the flush draw out there it's probably very small.

i bet the river because only a better hand will raise, and you can safely muck your hand. if you check, you must call the bet in case they are bluffing.
 
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Old 05-17-2005, 01:13 PM #7 (permalink)  
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i cap the flop because i have a huge pot equity to push, even though given the flush draw out there it's probably very small.
Silly TAgg, capping when any reasonable holding has an edge on you.

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Board: 7s Ac 6c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 30.8368 % [ 00.30 00.01 ] { 9h8h }
Hand 2: 34.5912 % [ 00.33 00.02 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, KQs-K2s, QJs-Q8s, JTs-J8s, T9s-T8s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, 32s, AKo-A2o, KQo-K8o, QJo-Q8o, JTo-J8o, T9o-T8o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o }
Hand 3: 34.5720 % [ 00.33 00.02 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, KQs-K2s, QJs-Q8s, JTs-J8s, T9s-T8s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, 32s, AKo-A2o, KQo-K8o, QJo-Q8o, JTo-J8o, T9o-T8o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o }
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Hand 1: 30.8368%
damn it...2.49% shy of breaking even!
 
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Old 05-17-2005, 01:28 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: 30.8368%
damn it...2.49% shy of breaking even!
It gets worse if you give the other 2 players reasonable holdings. A flush draw being out really sucks. Don't cap, the joy of a straight draw in this situation is that you can often put in a check/raise when you hit.
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:28 PM #10 (permalink)  
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So correct move is raise the turn and wait to see what Button does - sounds good.

What if Button re-raises, do you fold or grab your ankles and be willing to pay him off?
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:43 PM #11 (permalink)  
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What if Button re-raises, do you fold or grab your ankles and be willing to pay him off?
Fold against most players. Against more aggressive players you might call it down.
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