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Old 05-23-2006, 10:01 PM     Post subject: Frustrating hand from last night #1 (permalink)  
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 Can anyone else make this call?

Reads: guy on my right is a donk, 75 vpip and like a 0 PFR or something like that. Guy on my left a 35/10ish type. His range could very well include a king and if I'm HU I'm more likely to call here. Needless to say, I treated this guy differently afterwards.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A, J.
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, Button calls, 2 folds, MP calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K, 6, J (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, Button raises, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 2 (3 players)
MP checks, Hero checks, Button bets, MP calls, Hero folds.

River: (8.75 BB) 8 (2 players)
MP checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

Results in white below:
MP has 6s 3s (one pair, sixes).
Button has Qs Jd (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Button wins 8.75 BB.


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I am taking this to the other extreme and calling down to many mid pairs all the way down.... and losing a vast majority of them.

With both draws out there I convince myself that my opp is getting value on the flop with the donk in there with his draw and then feels compelled to bet again on the turn to try and take it down. Instead he usually has TP and I lost 2 more BBs than I needed to.
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Old 05-23-2006, 10:59 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Don't forget your pot odds 101. There are almost 9BB in the pot when it is up to you on the turn. With 5 outs to improve plus the chances you are still ahead, easy call. He played it well, protecting his hand with second pair, decent kicker in a 3-way pot (I play it exactly the same as him), and he convinced you to fold the best hand.
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How does Mr. 35/10 play post-flop? Does he know you're raising light to isolate the donk?

I don't like the fold and am looking for a 3-bet, particularly given how aggro these games get.
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Old 05-23-2006, 11:40 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Don't forget your pot odds 101. There are almost 9BB in the pot when it is up to you on the turn. With 5 outs to improve plus the chances you are still ahead, easy call. He played it well, protecting his hand with second pair, decent kicker in a 3-way pot (I play it exactly the same as him), and he convinced you to fold the best hand.
yea, i mean even if you are behind you have a 6.7:1 to hit a 5 outer... you stressed pot odds so much to me when we were at the casino talking about hands...

You are getting 7.75:1 to call plus I’d say another 2 bets on the river if you hit...

in the case he had a J so you have 4 outs but you don't know that but imagine if he had a J and a J hit the river as long as he doesn't have KJ or AJ like you or KK (which I think KK plays PF stronger) AK would blow but i think a 35/10 3 bets PF with that, you make like 3 or 4 bets on the river...

So I figure you to have 2bb min if you hit so you have 9.75:1 I could make an argument for calling a gut shot here which is what you actually had instead of the predicted 5 outs you had 4...

10.5:1 with 9.75:1 odds that's close but most of us would make the call there...

how to play the river when you brick is another question worth looking into...
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Old 05-23-2006, 11:46 PM #6 (permalink)  
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How does Mr. 35/10 play post-flop? Does he know you're raising light to isolate the donk?

I don't like the fold and am looking for a 3-bet, particularly given how aggro these games get.
Thats the thing, he wasnt all that agressive but I hadn't been there for too long either.

There is something about overcalling a turn bet with middle pair that doesnt sound right. I didnt even see the 9-1 turn call otherwise it looks pretty obv.


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Old 05-24-2006, 12:39 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 id have gone to the river with that.
Did button he cold call you a lot with KQ KJ type stuff?
My problem in this hand is MP1, wtf does he have? but if u say mp1 is a donk then id have called on the turn for sure and gone to show down
Too often here people automatically dont put you on a K or J and auto raise you.
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