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Old 10-26-2004, 11:46 PM     Post subject: Fruits of FTR - .25/.50 limit rampage #1 (permalink)  
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No monster pots or bad beats or good beat here. Just wanted to share a nice 2 hour session I had at the .25/.50 limit games at Poker Stars today.

I've been reading a lot of the advice in the limit section for quite awhile now and knew that I was being much too passive in my approach to the game, but had to have it hammered into my head by Fnord, Mike and others. It is a slow learning process, but I think I had a revelation while playing today. I generally use .05/.10 and .25/.50 limit games as proving grounds when trying to incorporate new styles and techniques so my bankroll doesn't get drained.

277 hands
VP$IP - 17.69%
VP$IP SB - 21.62%
WWSF - 29.49%
W$@SD - 56.5 %
PFR - 10.83%
Total Agg - 1.27
Amount won: 18.00 (13.00 BB/100)

This was a totally new approach for me, and it was very refreshing.

The interesting thing - my W$@SD is is down just slightly from normal, but I found that I was able to build much bigger pots through aggressive play. I was raising preflop so often that my opps just took it as a matter of course and almost forgot that I was representing strength.

It wasn't even a great run of cards really, I lost a ton of pots, but the ones I did win were very nice. I used alot of the plays I have seen Fnord and a few others post about here, and they worked great. I do think I stayed in a few hands too long however. I knew I was playing well when I would have to move tables because my opps were leaving. I'm pretty sure my play was taking them out of their comfort zone.

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Old 10-27-2004, 12:02 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Well, I can guess what PFR is - but what is it divided by? # hands or # flops seen.

What are the other acronyms. A n00b question I guess - I will take a pointer as well.
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Old 10-27-2004, 12:19 AM     Post subject: Re: Fruits of FTR - .25/.50 limit rampage #3 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by lhoney2
W$@SD - 56.5 %

The interesting thing - my W$@SD is is down just slightly from normal, but I found that I was able to build much bigger pots through aggressive play. I was raising preflop so often that my opps just took it as a matter of course and almost forgot that I was representing strength.
W$@SD is a funny number as lots of different factors drive it.

o How often you value bet the river (down, as you showdown fewer winners)
o How often you river bluff (down, as you get caught; but win rate goes up if done well)
o Missing river bets (up, showdown more winners against busted draws)
o Strong hand reading skills allowing for laydowns (up, duh)

55% seems to be a common number among winning players. I've heard of good players running between ~50% (aggro, not much game selection) to ~60% (laydown master.)

Also, aggression is different against different opponents. If they're passive calling stations it's about driving value and getting out of dodge when they wake up. If they're more aware, you use aggression to put pressure on them to make hands or concede pots.

Also, a lot of my thin pre-flop raising that get me in the 10% range comes from it being folding to MP/LP, where I can steal raise or raise a weak limp + the blinds with a playable hand (I like to do this without an Ace so I can steal Ace X X boards giving me almost a third card.) In a micro-limit game or a loose live game, these oportunities don't come up as often.

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It wasn't even a great run of cards really, I lost a ton of pots, but the ones I did win were very nice. I used alot of the plays I have seen Fnord and a few others post about here, and they worked great. I do think I stayed in a few hands too long however.
A couple things to keep in mind.

Don't tie yourself to a pot you raised pre-flop and got lots of callers with. If it's a horrible miss or you think someone else hit, just check/fold or take a free card. It's only one extra sb you spent on the raise. Knowing when not to make the follow-up flop bet can save you money, although you should be betting out on a lot of flops.

Also, with a big pot chasing with thinner holdings becomes more correct. So those loose calls and thin calldowns when you chose to make them cost you less money if they're incorrect. This creates some swings, but the higher win-rate compensates for it.
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Old 10-27-2004, 02:07 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Here's a few of the more interesting hands. Some I annotated as being misplayed, would like to know what you think of the others.

#1

Poorly played pot. Raised preflop with 55 just to mix it up a bit. A bet on the turn probably would have taken this pot down as I find out at the end. I figure someone must have the J and wimp out on the turn...

POKERSTARS GAME #802181348: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/10/26 - 18:09:35 (ET)
Table 'Hedda' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: castanza ($12.25 in chips)
Seat 3: NiK718 ($2.80 in chips)
Seat 4: bupapest ($31.65 in chips)
Seat 5: johnny_1007 ($7.95 in chips)
Seat 6: SWAMMY ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 7: DlRTYBlRD ($8.85 in chips)
Seat 8: RWWinner ($2.30 in chips)
Seat 9: lhoney2 ($14 in chips)
Seat 10: Hon Hon ($5 in chips)
bupapest: posts small blind $0.10
johnny_1007: posts big blind $0.25
Hon Hon: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lhoney2 [5c 5h]
SWAMMY: folds
DlRTYBlRD: calls $0.25
RWWinner: folds
lhoney2: calls $0.25
Hon Hon: checks
castanza: folds
NiK718: folds
DlRTYBlRD said, "no.. gotta take Aaron home at 8"
bupapest: folds
johnny_1007: checks
*** FLOP *** [Js 6s 3c]
johnny_1007: checks
DlRTYBlRD: checks
lhoney2: bets $0.25
Hon Hon: calls $0.25
johnny_1007: calls $0.25
DlRTYBlRD: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Js 6s 3c] [3d]
johnny_1007: checks
DlRTYBlRD: checks
lhoney2: checks
Hon Hon: checks
*** RIVER *** [Js 6s 3c 3d] [9d]
johnny_1007: folds
DlRTYBlRD: checks
lhoney2: checks
Hon Hon: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DlRTYBlRD: shows [Ac Kh] (a pair of Threes)
lhoney2: shows [5c 5h] (two pair, Fives and Threes)
Hon Hon: shows [6h Ad] (two pair, Sixes and Threes)
Hon Hon collected $2.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.10 | Rake $0
Board [Js 6s 3c 3d 9d]
Seat 2: castanza folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: NiK718 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bupapest (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: johnny_1007 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: SWAMMY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: DlRTYBlRD showed [Ac Kh] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 8: RWWinner folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: lhoney2 showed [5c 5h] and lost with two pair, Fives and Threes
Seat 10: Hon Hon showed [6h Ad] and won ($2.10) with two pair, Sixes and Threes



#2 - I call UTG with a mediocre J9s. I was out of position for the call but felt like playing it. Flop second pair and a flush draw. A2 guy calls me all the way down the river, where I spike the heart. He had to know for sure his hand was no good on that last call.

POKERSTARS GAME #802191678: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/10/26 - 18:13:10 (ET)
Table 'Hedda' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: xCrownRoyalx ($12.20 in chips)
Seat 2: castanza ($12.25 in chips)
Seat 3: NiK718 ($0.80 in chips)
Seat 4: bupapest ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 5: johnny_1007 ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 6: SWAMMY ($6.25 in chips)
Seat 7: DlRTYBlRD ($8.10 in chips)
Seat 8: RWWinner ($2.05 in chips)
Seat 9: lhoney2 ($13.50 in chips)
Seat 10: Hon Hon ($6.60 in chips)
DlRTYBlRD: posts small blind $0.10
RWWinner: posts big blind $0.25
xCrownRoyalx: posts small & big blinds $0.35
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lhoney2 [9h Jh]
lhoney2: calls $0.25
Hon Hon: calls $0.25
xCrownRoyalx: checks
SWAMMY said, "ty"
castanza: calls $0.25
NiK718: calls $0.25
bupapest: folds
johnny_1007: folds
SWAMMY: calls $0.25
xCrownRoyalx said, "3/6 for me also"
DlRTYBlRD: calls $0.15
RWWinner: checks
*** FLOP *** [5h Js Ah]
DlRTYBlRD: checks
RWWinner: checks
lhoney2: bets $0.25
Hon Hon: calls $0.25
xCrownRoyalx: folds
castanza: calls $0.25
NiK718: folds
SWAMMY: calls $0.25
DlRTYBlRD: folds
RWWinner: folds
*** TURN *** [5h Js Ah] [7c]
lhoney2: bets $0.50
Hon Hon: calls $0.50
castanza: calls $0.50
SWAMMY: folds
*** RIVER *** [5h Js Ah 7c] [7h]
lhoney2: bets $0.50
Hon Hon: folds
castanza: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lhoney2: shows [9h Jh] (a flush, Ace high)
SWAMMY said, "88"
castanza: mucks hand
lhoney2 collected $5.35 from pot
xCrownRoyalx said, "i'm going on up there on halloween with 5 bus loads of people"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.60 | Rake $0.25
Board [5h Js Ah 7c 7h]
Seat 1: xCrownRoyalx folded on the Flop
Seat 2: castanza mucked [2s Ac] - two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 3: NiK718 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: bupapest folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: johnny_1007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SWAMMY (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 7: DlRTYBlRD (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: RWWinner (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: lhoney2 showed [9h Jh] and won ($5.35) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 10: Hon Hon folded on the River




#3 I had to slow down on the turn...I knew this flake kept a 4 through the preflop raise. I also knew I was at the right table now.

POKERSTARS GAME #802228540: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/10/26 - 18:26:11 (ET)
Table 'Hedda' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: xCrownRoyalx ($14.45 in chips)
Seat 2: castanza ($6.25 in chips)
Seat 3: NiK718 ($5.75 in chips)
Seat 4: bupapest ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 5: firec ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: SWAMMY ($5.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Buttons ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 8: RWWinner ($12.65 in chips)
Seat 9: lhoney2 ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 10: Hon Hon ($2.85 in chips)
castanza: posts small blind $0.10
NiK718: posts big blind $0.25
Hon Hon: posts small & big blinds $0.35
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lhoney2 [Ks Kh]
bupapest: folds
RWWinner said, "crown what u have"
firec: folds
SWAMMY said, "(*&*^&%^$%#"
SWAMMY: folds
Buttons: folds
xCrownRoyalx said, "aces"
RWWinner: calls $0.25
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $0.50
RWWinner said, "gh"
Hon Hon: calls $0.25
xCrownRoyalx: folds
xCrownRoyalx said, "ty"
castanza said, "fmo"
castanza: calls $0.40
NiK718: folds
RWWinner: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [2h 4c 4s]
castanza: checks
RWWinner: checks
lhoney2: bets $0.25
Hon Hon: calls $0.25
castanza: calls $0.25
RWWinner: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [2h 4c 4s] [5d]
castanza: checks
RWWinner: checks
lhoney2: bets $0.50
Hon Hon: raises $0.50 to $1
castanza: folds
RWWinner: folds
lhoney2: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [2h 4c 4s 5d] [Qs]
lhoney2: checks
Hon Hon: bets $0.50
lhoney2: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hon Hon: shows [Td 4d] (three of a kind, Fours)
lhoney2: mucks hand
Hon Hon collected $6.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.35 | Rake $0.25
Board [2h 4c 4s 5d Qs]
Seat 1: xCrownRoyalx (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: castanza (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: NiK718 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: bupapest folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: firec folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SWAMMY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Buttons folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: RWWinner folded on the Turn
Seat 9: lhoney2 mucked [Ks Kh] - two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 10: Hon Hon showed [Td 4d] and won ($6.10) with three of a kind, Fours



#4 This is a reckless hand, but it didn't cost me a whole lot of money. I know Fnord says you can't create an image at the cheap tables, but I'm pretty sure this hand did. Look how slow they are playing their QQ after my show of aggression. This is an instance where the fish thinks they are beat by the A or K and refuses to lay down the PP. Lucky for them I was full of it.


POKERSTARS GAME #802242259: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/10/26 - 18:31:05 (ET)
Table 'Hedda' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: xCrownRoyalx ($13.95 in chips)
Seat 3: NiK718 ($4 in chips)
Seat 4: bupapest ($28.90 in chips)
Seat 5: firec ($13.75 in chips)
Seat 6: SWAMMY ($5.15 in chips)
Seat 7: Buttons ($3.50 in chips)
Seat 8: RWWinner ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 9: lhoney2 ($14.65 in chips)
Seat 10: Hon Hon ($7.95 in chips)
RWWinner: posts small blind $0.10
lhoney2: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lhoney2 [7d 7c]
Hon Hon: folds
xCrownRoyalx: folds
NiK718: calls $0.25
bupapest: folds
firec: folds
SWAMMY: folds
Buttons: folds
RWWinner: folds
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $0.50
NiK718: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Kh Ad 5s]
castanza has returned
lhoney2: bets $0.25
NiK718: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Kh Ad 5s] [8d]
lhoney2: checks
NiK718: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kh Ad 5s 8d] [8s]
lhoney2: checks
NiK718: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lhoney2: shows [7d 7c] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
NiK718: shows [Qd Qs] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
castanza said, "gotta go...pizza is here"
NiK718 collected $1.60 from pot
SWAMMY said, "change color of deck"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.60 | Rake $0
Board [Kh Ad 5s 8d 8s]
Seat 1: xCrownRoyalx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: NiK718 showed [Qd Qs] and won ($1.60) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 4: bupapest folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: firec folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SWAMMY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Buttons (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: RWWinner (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: lhoney2 (big blind) showed [7d 7c] and lost with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 10: Hon Hon folded before Flop (didn't bet)



#5 Cap it! He's representing the 9, but I'm oblivious. Once the K hits the turn, I wish he had a 9.

POKERSTARS GAME #802252177: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/10/26 - 18:34:32 (ET)
Table 'Hedda' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: NiK718 ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 4: bupapest ($27.40 in chips)
Seat 5: firec ($12.75 in chips)
Seat 6: SWAMMY ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Buttons ($3 in chips)
Seat 8: RWWinner ($11.30 in chips)
Seat 9: lhoney2 ($12.30 in chips)
Seat 10: Hon Hon ($11.30 in chips)
bupapest: posts small blind $0.10
firec: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lhoney2 [Ks Kd]
SWAMMY: folds
Buttons: folds
RWWinner: calls $0.25
firec said, "lhoney...i had your other cards there"
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $0.50
Hon Hon: folds
NiK718: folds
bupapest: raises $0.25 to $0.75
firec: folds
RWWinner: calls $0.50
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $1
Betting is capped
bupapest: calls $0.25
RWWinner: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [9d 5h 9s]
xCrownRoyalx said, "sorry guys important phone call..later"
bupapest: bets $0.25
RWWinner: folds
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $0.50
bupapest: raises $0.25 to $0.75
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $1
Betting is capped
xCrownRoyalx said, "everyone take care"
bupapest: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [9d 5h 9s] [Kh]
xCrownRoyalx leaves the table
Hon Hon said, "u2"
bupapest: checks
lhoney2: bets $0.50
bupapest: folds
lhoney2 collected $5 from pot
lhoney2: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.25 | Rake $0.25
Board [9d 5h 9s Kh]
Seat 3: NiK718 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bupapest (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: firec (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: SWAMMY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Buttons folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: RWWinner folded on the Flop
Seat 9: lhoney2 collected ($5)
Seat 10: Hon Hon folded before Flop (didn't bet)



#6 This guy has been raising with junk the whole time, Axs and the like. I 3 bet my AQo preflop just to see if I might be up against AA or KK. After I find out I'm not, I feel good about my hand on the flop. I slow down once he bets into me on the turn. Shouldn't have.

POKERSTARS GAME #802264604: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/10/26 - 18:38:57 (ET)
Table 'Hedda' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: NiK718 ($7.35 in chips)
Seat 4: bupapest ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 5: firec ($12.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Spyderdriver ($5 in chips)
Seat 9: lhoney2 ($15.20 in chips)
bupapest: posts small blind $0.10
firec: posts big blind $0.25
Spyderdriver: posts big blind $0.25
ranchguy: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lhoney2 [Qc Ah]
Spyderdriver: raises $0.25 to $0.50
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $0.75
NiK718: calls $0.75
bupapest: folds
firec: folds
Spyderdriver: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [2c Qd 4c]
Spyderdriver: bets $0.25
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $0.50
NiK718: calls $0.50
Spyderdriver: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [2c Qd 4c] [3s]
Spyderdriver: bets $0.50
lhoney2: calls $0.50
NiK718: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [2c Qd 4c 3s] [9h]
Spyderdriver: bets $0.50
lhoney2: calls $0.50
NiK718: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Spyderdriver: shows [2s As] (a pair of Deuces)
lhoney2: shows [Qc Ah] (a pair of Queens)
riptrules joins the table at seat #7
NiK718: mucks hand
lhoney2 collected $6.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.10 | Rake $0.25
Board [2c Qd 4c 3s 9h]
Seat 3: NiK718 (button) mucked [Ad 3c] - a pair of Threes
Seat 4: bupapest (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: firec (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Spyderdriver showed [2s As] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 9: lhoney2 showed [Qc Ah] and won ($6.85) with a pair of Queens


#7 BabyWins flat call on the flop lets me know my JJ is holding up. Wish I knew what he though was worth the 3 bet there though.

POKERSTARS GAME #802298807: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/10/26 - 18:51:14 (ET)
Table 'Hedda' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ranchguy ($3.65 in chips)
Seat 2: jvegas ($47.65 in chips)
Seat 3: silver0201 ($4 in chips)
Seat 4: bupapest ($35.75 in chips)
Seat 5: JOBCOWBOYS ($15.85 in chips)
Seat 7: riptrules ($3.15 in chips)
Seat 8: pootang99 ($5.75 in chips)
Seat 9: lhoney2 ($19.10 in chips)
Seat 10: BabyWins ($5 in chips)
jvegas: posts small blind $0.10
silver0201: posts big blind $0.25
BabyWins: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lhoney2 [Jc Jh]
bupapest: calls $0.25
JOBCOWBOYS: folds
riptrules: folds
pootang99: folds
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $0.50
BabyWins: raises $0.25 to $0.75
ranchguy: folds
jvegas: folds
silver0201: folds
bupapest: folds
lhoney2: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Td 8d Th]
lhoney2: bets $0.25
BabyWins: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Td 8d Th] [3c]
lhoney2: bets $0.50
BabyWins: folds
lhoney2 collected $2.60 from pot
lhoney2: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.60 | Rake $0
Board [Td 8d Th 3c]
Seat 1: ranchguy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jvegas (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: silver0201 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: bupapest folded before Flop
Seat 5: JOBCOWBOYS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: riptrules folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: pootang99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: lhoney2 collected ($2.60)
Seat 10: BabyWins folded on the Turn


#8 I split this pot, but BabyWins got the better of me here,causing me to check the river. Weak.


POKERSTARS GAME #802317105: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/10/26 - 18:57:58 (ET)
Table 'Hedda' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: ranchguy ($3.65 in chips)
Seat 2: jvegas ($49.90 in chips)
Seat 3: silver0201 ($5.50 in chips)
Seat 4: bupapest ($35.15 in chips)
Seat 5: JOBCOWBOYS ($15.35 in chips)
Seat 8: pootang99 ($5.25 in chips)
Seat 9: lhoney2 ($20.95 in chips)
Seat 10: BabyWins ($3.10 in chips)
lhoney2: posts small blind $0.10
BabyWins: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lhoney2 [Qh Kd]
ranchguy: calls $0.25
jvegas: calls $0.25
silver0201: folds
bupapest: folds
JOBCOWBOYS: folds
pootang99: folds
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $0.50
BabyWins: calls $0.25
ranchguy: calls $0.25
jvegas: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [5c 2c Jd]
lhoney2: bets $0.25
BabyWins: calls $0.25
ranchguy: folds
jvegas: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [5c 2c Jd] [Qd]
lhoney2: bets $0.50
BabyWins: raises $0.50 to $1
jvegas: folds
lhoney2: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [5c 2c Jd Qd] [As]
lhoney2: checks
BabyWins: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lhoney2: shows [Qh Kd] (a pair of Queens)
BabyWins: shows [Qc Kc] (a pair of Queens)
lhoney2 collected $2.40 from pot
BabyWins collected $2.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.75 | Rake $0
Board [5c 2c Jd Qd As]
Seat 1: ranchguy folded on the Flop
Seat 2: jvegas folded on the Turn
Seat 3: silver0201 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bupapest folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: JOBCOWBOYS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: pootang99 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: lhoney2 (small blind) showed [Qh Kd] and won ($2.40) with a pair of Queens
Seat 10: BabyWins (big blind) showed [Qc Kc] and won ($2.35) with a pair of Queens


#9 Once they see I'm not playing junk they are starting to respect my aggression. This QQ never gets shown, which is different for a .25/.50 game.


POKERSTARS GAME #802331356: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/10/26 - 19:03:13 (ET)
Table 'Hedda' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ranchguy ($2.80 in chips)
Seat 3: silver0201 ($7.75 in chips)
Seat 4: bupapest ($34.30 in chips)
Seat 5: JOBCOWBOYS ($12.70 in chips)
Seat 8: pootang99 ($6.85 in chips)
Seat 9: lhoney2 ($21.60 in chips)
Seat 10: BabyWins ($5.70 in chips)
JOBCOWBOYS: posts small blind $0.10
pootang99: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lhoney2 [Qs Qh]
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $0.50
BabyWins: folds
ranchguy: folds
silver0201: folds
bupapest: raises $0.25 to $0.75
JOBCOWBOYS: folds
pootang99: calls $0.50
lhoney2: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [5h 3s 4c]
pootang99: bets $0.25
lhoney2: raises $0.25 to $0.50
bupapest: calls $0.50
pootang99: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [5h 3s 4c] [9c]
pootang99: checks
lhoney2: bets $0.50
bupapest: folds
pootang99: folds
lhoney2 collected $3.85 from pot
lhoney2: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.85 | Rake $0
Board [5h 3s 4c 9c]
Seat 1: ranchguy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: silver0201 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bupapest (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: JOBCOWBOYS (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: pootang99 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: lhoney2 collected ($3.85)
Seat 10: BabyWins folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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1 - Don't bother, particularly against opponents that call too much. You won't get folds often enough or your 5s won't hold up if they're even good.

2 - Loose limp, but probably a good table for it. Well played

3 - Pot is small enough that you can fold to the turn raise if you're up for it. You're almost always on 2 outs with a passive player raising this board. Against an aggressive player, it becomes more important to call down.

4 - I might fire again on the turn, but it looks like a weak Ace/King that will take you to showdown...

5 - A crafty trick here is to call the 3-bet and pop him again on the turn.

6 - AQo is usually a muck to a raise, but you had 2 great reasons to 3-bet here when you only needed 1. He's a loose raiser and it's short-handed. Well played.

7 - Well played.

8 - Tough to find a river bet there. Well played.

9 - Interesting that just calling the 3-bet set-up a nice isolation raise. A case could be made for capping pre-flop at 2:1 on your money, but this worked out really well.
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3 - Pot is small enough that you can fold to the turn raise if you're up for it. You're almost always on 2 outs with a passive player raising this board. Against an aggressive player, it becomes more important to call down.
Tough to fold that one even though I knew there was a REAL good chance I was beat. Good point that the pot was small enough to fold it. If I do fold the winner there, the mistake is not as big. Maybe one day I can lay this one down, but not today. That's why I don't play NL.


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2 - Loose limp, but probably a good table for it. Well played
You're right about the loose limp. I really like J9s and JTs for some reason. I'm winning 28.60 with those hands after playing 11,000 at a variety of levels. I was definitely out of position for the call this time though.
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The rush continues..numbers from yesterday and today combined. My apologies to those that cannot appreciate the No-Stakes game.

.25/.50 limit
482 hands
19.29 VP$IP
33.3 WWSF
9.96 PFR
63.04 W@SD
+ 48.95 (20.3 BB/100)

.05/.10 limit
594 hands
21.04 VP$IP
30.81 WWSF
9.93 PFR
60.0 W@SD
+ 11.28 (18.99 BB/100)

Here's an interesting hand I had tonight. The preflop raiser actually gave me the opportunity to continue with this hand because of the implied pot odds on the flop. On the flop I have a gutshot that I am getting correct odds to call. On the turn I get a double gutshot draw.

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T, 9. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, CO (poster) folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (11.40 SB) 7, 6, K (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) Q (4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Button raises, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (13.70 BB) 8 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 16.70 BB
Main Pot: 16.70 BB, between Button, Hero and MP2.
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 A little loose pre-flop? Cold-Calling a raise in early position with unsuited connectors? Post flop I think was pretty good though. How effective is a check-raise on the river?


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A little loose pre-flop?
A little. I don't like throwing mid connectors away in the BB, because those are the kinds of hands that can crack the big cards and take down a nice pot. The bad part about this call is that I am not closing the pre-flop betting - still two more to act after me.

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How effective is a check-raise on the river?
I thought seriously about check raising the river..but then I thought back to previous hands I've had. Holding the nuts or near-nuts and watching the river get checked through really sucks. I also read a post at 2+2 today advising against it. I didn't trust these players to put in another bet. My flop and turn calls were only correct with the implied odds if I made my hand. I wanted to make sure I at least delivered on that with the final pot size.

This is also an interesting hand, because of how little I made on it compared to if I had been in a better position. On the button and I get at least 3 more BB out of it.
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Cold-Calling a raise in early position
Is it possible to cold call from a blind? I always thought a cold call was when you had no money in the pot.
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A little. I don't like throwing mid connectors away in the BB, because those are the kinds of hands that can crack the big cards and take down a nice pot. The bad part about this call is that I am not closing the pre-flop betting - still two more to act after me.
Unsuited connectors suck, period.

Fold pre-flop, flop is fine, fold the turn, c/r the river
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