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gabe
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02-22-2005, 05:16 AM
Post subject: free card play when you don't want to protect your hand
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You have Ac8c on the button with 2 limpers and the blinds all seeing the flop, which comes JcTd5c. It is checked to the CO, who bets. If you raise for a freecard, you will probably limit the field and miss out out on some extra bets. If you call you have to pay a BB on the turn to see the river, assuming you don't hit.
What do you do in these situations. Do you value the free card more or the potential value by calling? If there is no clear answer, what things do you tihnk abot before making the move?
thanks
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Fnord
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I raise pre-flop because raising is fun.
Raise the flop. With a jack and ten out lots of worse hands will call 2sb cold here.
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guitarhero14
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probably just a typo but did you mean: " It is checked to the CO?".
Second, nice avatar 
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Gatlin Dan
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by guitarhero14
probably just a typo but did you mean: " It is checked to the CO?".
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Assuming this is the case, (if you are on the button and it is folded to the CO, you are not going to have to worry about limiting the field because you are already going to be HU) I am going to evaluate how many of the checkers are likely to call the flop bet. I think I would be willing to pay the BB on the turn if the hand is 3 or 4 handed going into the turn.
Since I have a draw to the nutflush, and the bettor is on my left, I'm looking to get overcalls on the turn.
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elipsesjeff
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Gabe,
Good question, being after the CO here i agree with Fnord. If you were UTG+2 and UTG bet out, i would call to encourage over calls hoping someone would raise. If someone raises you 3-bet.
Raising preflop is not because its fun....(well, it is, but...) you raise preflop for value!
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ChezJ
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SSH says you should raise because you may spike an ace instead of a club, and when that's the case, you don't want any other aces sticking around to outkick you. You raise to buy a couple more outs.
ChezJ
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jbmagic
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
SSH says you should raise because you may spike an ace instead of a club, and when that's the case, you don't want any other aces sticking around to outkick you. You raise to buy a couple more outs.
ChezJ
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what page is that on?
thanks
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Gatlin Dan
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I just finished re-reading the sections on SSH again about post-flop play. I do remember reading something quite similar to this in there. I can't remember the page but it does talk about situations very similar to this.
something else that stuck with me after reading was the part about concentrating on winning the pot when the pot is very large. If the pot is raised pre-flop, getting the other aces to fold in case you spike one would definitely apply here.
After reading chezj's post and thinking some more, I think it would be correct to raise here as well.
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ChezJ
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don't have the book with me but it is in the section on protecting your hand and buying outs. early on in the book. i remember it clearly because it was so shocking to me.
ChezJ
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