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lzfsb3
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08-28-2006, 12:52 AM
Post subject: A/A followed by Ace on the Flop
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Just sat down at table and get this w/ first hand after posting blind. I have no read on anyone at this time.
Did I play this correctly?
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , A . Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds, Hero (poster) raises, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.
Flop: (7.40 SB) A , J , 3 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.
Turn: (5.20 BB) 8 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds.
River: (7.20 BB) K (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 15.20 BB
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I mean nothing can be really criticized except for the 3-bet on the river. I don't know if calling is better, but I'm influenced by the fact that he capped, so I'd probably 3-bet here too.
Since you posted this hand I'm sure he had a straight :O
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midas06
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sndp
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Yeah, QTo right? QT spades might raise you either on the flop or the turn.
I don't think you can go wrong with betting your made hands OOP with no reads. Maybe you can get tricky if you know he's betting this, but it looks like he'd be checking the flop and turn otherwise.
The only two hands I can think of him having here are QT or KJ. Either one you have beat until the river, and one of those you still beat on the river and just calling the raise loses you two bets.
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lzfsb3
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Yeah, he had Q/10 off.
Scary part is I never saw it coming. At this level thoughthe may have Kings or Jacks and still call you to the river.
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kyc12
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Edited: Nvm, didn't see the double gutter. Still think should 3-bet river tho
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strawman
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by lzfsb3
Yeah, he had Q/10 off.
Scary part is I never saw it coming.
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Eventually you start to, especially when they fire out or c/raise the river. At that point, unless you have the nuts you can be fairly comfortable that you are beat and slow down since the hands that follow this pattern tend to be drawing hands that hit so the only "error" if one can really even call it one is the 3-bet after the c/raise.
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kyc12
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by strawman
Quote:
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Originally Posted by lzfsb3
Yeah, he had Q/10 off.
Scary part is I never saw it coming.
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Eventually you start to, especially when they fire out or c/raise the river. At that point, unless you have the nuts you can be fairly comfortable that you are beat and slow down since the hands that follow this pattern tend to be drawing hands that hit so the only "error" if one can really even call it one is the 3-bet after the c/raise. |
Isn't it more likely that villian has has two pair now that K hits than hitting gutshot? If villian call with QT he will also call with many hands make 2-pair, even a smaller set. And you beat all those.
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strawman
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by kyc12
Isn't it more likely that villian has has two pair now that K hits than hitting gutshot? If villian call with QT he will also call with many hands make 2-pair, even a smaller set. And you beat all those.
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Villian limps in UTG+1. So what two pair would limp in EP and check/call through the turn on this board? Villian would have to hit the flop and if the King makes two pair than KJ would be the most likely holding. There is a spade draw and straight draw on this flop so if Villian is holding the Jack he is playing this very passively and doesn't show aggression until a card that makes a nut hand spikes on the river. JJ would most likely raise preflop and since villian doesn't bet on the 3 nor 8 a set over set situation isn't likely here.
This type of action is exactly what occurs with weak drawing hands. EP limp with broadway cards hoping for a cheap flop and check calling OOP until the hand is made. I would consider two pair as a possibility if villian had done something other than c/c the flop- either bet out or a c/r to get the hand HU- but as played I'd have to go with a rivered straight.
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euphoricism
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Definitely threebet. Take thy medicine.
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bigspenda73
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Nah, 3betting here is a spew. At this limit these players are passive nits who wouldn't check raise with anything but the nuts. The c/r here gives away his hand. I think you just call here, it sucks, but you must assume he caught his cards. The only other logical hand is KJ.
BTW, UTG did not play his hand as horribly as you may think. Sure, PF limp is poor. But on the flop he is getting 9.4-1 odds if UTG+2 calls behind. He turned a double gutter so he has odds to call, and he connects. Tough break, bad beat, but certainly not the worst play I have ever seen. If I had a BB for every time I see this happen I'd be another level up by now.
In the future at these levels, if you are c/r on the end with anything but the nuts, just call, players won't make this move with anything less. Also, you showed so much strengh you knew he had to have a monster to c/r you here.
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didn't see the check-raise.
I would be tempted to fold (but I would call correctly here) because check-raise usually means the nuts
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