|
outphase
|
12-25-2005, 04:28 PM
Post subject: Fold when it's 2 bets back?
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 949
|
|
This is my 2nd hand at the table, I have no reads. UTG+1 is repping the made flush on the turn and I figured letting 2BB at the river was bleeding chips or is a set good enough to see it for 2?
PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is SB with T , T . CO posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop: (5 SB) 8, 5, A (5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO folds.
Turn: (4 BB) 4 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, Hero calls.
River: (10 BB) T (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.
Final Pot: 17 BB
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
Nehmer
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Decatur, IL
Posts: 666
|
|
Why are you not raising this preflop and then leading out on the flop into 4 people with an ace on the board?? Then why are you calling the turn raise? I don't think there is any way you can fold this river, but I don't think you should have gotten yourself in this situation to begin with.
|
|
|
|
outphase
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 949
|
|
I bet the flop due to my flush draw, after that, I played this hand like a donk
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
|
|
|
KoRnholio
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,165
|
|
Unless MP1 is a total donk, he surely has you beat with Kx or Qx of clubs. He called the flop, called two on the turn then raised the river on a meaningless card (except to you of course).
I would check-call the turn, fold to 2 bets on the river.
|
|
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
|
|
Hate
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 322
|
|
Yeah, MP1 definitely has the flush there.
Also, raise preflop, lead flop.
And with your way of playing, fold the bloody turn after the raise and MP1's call
|
|
|
|
|~|ypermegachi
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: emo-kid
Posts: 3,580
|
|
playin the tight passive dude here....
i don't think completing preflop is such a bad idea....you do have the worst position against 4 others....not to mention by raising you are pretty much guaranteeing a 10sb flop, giving yourself pretty bad reverse implied odds.
|
|
|
|
outphase
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 949
|
|
Quick results:
UTG+1 held A4o
MP1 held 99
I made the right laydown, but it just sucked this time around.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
|
|
|
silverfist
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 341
|
|
I probably would have raised it pre-flop, since Sklansky says so. Then, I would just check-fold with middle pair and a flush board against three or more opponents. Clubs beat you and any ace beats you. If only two people called my raise, I'd try to steal the pot on the flop, and then go into check-fold mode. With middle pair and no flush board, I'd try to check-raise one opponent or fold to two or more bets or limpers.
Anyway, the moral is, don't overplay middle pair.
|
Discuss Plato, Aristotle and Aquinas at The Lyceum
|
|
outphase
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 949
|
|
it wasn't so much an overplay of middle pair as it was an overplay of the weak flush draw
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
|
|
|
Romulus141
|
|
Straight
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Oxford, PA
Posts: 118
|
|
As others have said, I raise this pre-flop for value.
Flop is fine.
Turn: You're raised, and at this point, what in the world could raise you that you still beat? Basically, someone on a flush draw, gutshot draw, or lower pair/pocket pair. Of those three, only the first one seems plausible for a semi-bluff by a typical small stakes player (Yesterday I had two passive opponents semi-bluff with flush draws on two separate boards, I was kinda impressed actually). Any other type of hand beats you, be it a set, ace, two-pair, flush, straight, etc. Since I"m getting good odds from the pot, I might see the river for a flush possibility.
River: When I don't make my flush, I check the river. If it's one bet back to me, I make the crying call (this is assuming you made your set, which you did). If it's two, then I'm folding.
----
Even then, finding a fold on the turn wouldn't be bad, since a four-flush board with only a ten can still be beaten. There might be better situations where drawing to the flush may be worth it.
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
Linear Mode
