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Old 12-27-2005, 07:22 PM     Post subject: Fold the River Here? #1 (permalink)  
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Should I just see this one through? I've never folded a set before:

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Preflop: Silverfist is BB with 7, 7. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, CO (poster) calls, 2 folds, Silverfist calls, UTG 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Silverfist calls.

Flop: (15.40 SB) 6, 7, 8 (5 players)
Silverfist bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (10.20 BB) T (5 players)
Silverfist checks, UTG bets, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, CO calls, Silverfist calls, UTG calls.

River: (20.20 BB) K (5 players)
Silverfist checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, MP2 raises, CO folds, Silverfist ???
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Old 12-27-2005, 08:06 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I think you played it horribly for one. But, the pot is pretty big you could make arguments to fold or call..


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Old 12-27-2005, 08:17 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I think you played it horribly for one. But, the pot is pretty big you could make arguments to fold or call..
How exactly? On the turn, I figured someone had a 9, but I had 10 outs to make a full house or quads. So, I needed 36:10 or about 3.6:1 odds to call, which I more than had, even if betting was capped behind me. Pre-flop, calling a raise on the BB with a PP is pretty standard. The only part of this play I question was not check-raising the flop, but I figured the pot was so large, protecting my hand was pointless.

Anyway, thanks for the opinion, but would you mind telling me what you thought I did wrong next time?
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Old 12-27-2005, 08:37 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I am torn between a crying call and folding. I think Mp2 hit his set of kings on the river and Mp1 probably has a straight. But the pot is so huge...

I think you have to raise the turn. You may not be good here but you have a ton of outs for the boat and the pot is pretty big and you HAVE to try knocking out anyone you can.

My question is, what's the best way to protect your hand here? Normally protecting a set isn't that much of an issue but I think with the size of the pot, the number of players and the coordinated board you have to at least try. The pot is probably too big on the flop but do you go for a check raise on the turn? Maybe lead out, hoping for a raise and the reraising? Unfortunately, the likely betters are immediately to your left.


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Old 12-27-2005, 08:41 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I would have, but there really is no clear cut way to play it but I think the way you played it was pretty bad.

You have to keep track of who the Preflop raisors were with the way the hand played out. If you're going to call two cold on the turn you might as well be betting out as you really have no judge on who has what hand. UTG 3 bet preflop, he's probably got an overpair of overcards and I would have to say the same thing about MP2, without any read.

So, by you checking UTG bets out, he could have anything from AT here to TT and you really wouldnt know it by the way you played it. Also, if you lead the turn, get raised, and reraised, you can safely fold the river when it is two back to you again.

There is just something fishy about this hand, the way you played it, the way that MP2 suddenly wakes up on the river when the King hit (I would put him on KK but thats too strong possibly), and the MP1's delayed aggression. I would probably fold this river given the action in front of you and you do not close the action, it could get 3bet and capped behind you.


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