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Old 08-16-2007, 01:04 AM     Post subject: Fold AA here? #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A.
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 8, T, Q (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) J (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG raises, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (12.70 BB) 3 (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 12.70 BB
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Old 08-16-2007, 01:39 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Fold turn and laugh. The laughing part is important for your sanity.

Your gutshot outs are to half a pot quite often, K is dirty with the 3rd guy in and your Ace outs are often dead here. This is a 3-way action board so I'm inclined to believe the story UTG is telling us. A tight UTG raiser will show you AK here a lot.
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Old 08-16-2007, 06:18 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I didn't even see a river with Aces tonight.

I raised on the button after a bunch of limpers

Flop: 557r

I bet, everyone calls
Turn 6 maybe putting out a flush draw

Checked to me and I bet, uber-passive guy who plays an absurd amount of hands raises, another calls and I say "Ace King no g00t" and fold.

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Old 08-16-2007, 11:40 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 I am debating this turn bet.


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Old 08-17-2007, 12:25 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I am debating this turn bet.
In reference to Tyler's hand? Yeah, great point and a really funny spot.
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Old 08-17-2007, 04:27 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I am debating this turn bet.
In reference to Tyler's hand? Yeah, great point and a really funny spot.
both, on your hand and his.


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Old 08-17-2007, 06:10 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 Any reads? What are their possible hands here ? aa, kk, qq, aqs, ak, jj (only cos the flop leaves jj with a gutshot). Although some of the players I play with at this limit on party could even have 22.... Is the button drawing to a straight? to a flush? Does this leave you any outs? Which hands do you have beaten? I suggest making a decision on the turn, either:
1) fold to his re-raise, or
2) you call, planning to check-call the river if nothing seems to hit (eg 3d).
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Old 08-18-2007, 05:26 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) J, 7, J (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10.20 BB) 9 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero folds
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Old 08-18-2007, 05:57 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 in 6max I'm calling down, never really got into Full Ring. It's going to cost you 2BB to win 12.2. Eh, you could even have 4 outs against 77 and be almost getting the right price, add in the fact he could be going psycho with TT/88....

I dunno, it's why I loved limit, I always found some busted-ass reason to call down and I was always shown just enough bad hands to keep doing it.
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Old 08-18-2007, 06:05 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Heads-up I would call down in that spot
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Old 08-18-2007, 08:34 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Heads-up I would call down in that spot
three way how often is he pumping his flush draw on the flop? I'd probably still call down only because I have AA.


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Old 08-18-2007, 11:11 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Hand 3: I need a read here, but inclined to fold. It really depends on what I think of the other players and if I think at least one of them would only play Jx/77 like that. The majority of hands we beat that 3-bet that flop are KK/QQ/TT/99/88 and pre-flop action suggests that the bigger ones are not out there.
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:15 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Heads-up I would call down in that spot
lol, I suck, I just assumed it was HU out there, didn't notice you were 4way, yea, it's probably a fold but it's still one I don't make.
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Old 08-19-2007, 03:55 AM #14 (permalink)  
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 any reads/stats on any of the players? Does BB defend with anything? Would UTG+1 limp aj in early position?77?
Would someone call two bets with kqs?
I think you are ahead of two of the players here and behind one - but...
possible hands? 77, aj, kk, qq, ten ten, kqs, and maybe something like 9ten spades depending on the bb.
your ace outs are good, your jack outs maybe live too (say 50-50) and neither of them compete the flush... so is that equivalent to three outs? the others are going to call regardless. So 1BB into what's going to be a 14bb pot, I don't think BB will cr, and don't think MP3 will re-raise. Plus action is going to be heavy on the flop if an ace hits. I would call, and be ready to fold the river...
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Old 08-20-2007, 02:17 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Folded a set of Aces on the river last night. It was one of those nights.

Best hand on the flop, second best on the turn, last place on the river.
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