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Fnord
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08-31-2004, 02:30 AM
Post subject: Fnord's Poker Tracker Auto-rate rules for full table LHE
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v1.1
Feedback appreciated!!!
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Autorate Rules Begin
Aggression:N
ARI_10 1 Loose/Aggressive
1 1 25.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 25.00
15 1 1.40 Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.40
2 1 8.00 Pre-flop Raise % is greater than 8.00
ARI_13 2 Tight/Passive
1 3 15.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 15.00
15 3 1.40 Aggression Factor - Total is less than 1.40
2 3 5.00 Pre-flop Raise % is less than 5.00
ARI_14 3 Loose/Passive
1 1 25.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 25.00
15 3 1.10 Aggression Factor - Total is less than 1.10
2 3 5.00 Pre-flop Raise % is less than 5.00
ARI_15 4 Tight/Aggressive
1 5 10.00 25.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 10.00 and 25.00
15 1 1.00 Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.00
2 1 5.00 Pre-flop Raise % is greater than 5.00
ARI_8 5 Gambler
1 1 60.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 60.00
ARI_2 6 Fishy
1 1 30.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 30.00
ARI_9 7 Rock
1 3 13.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 13.00
Autorate Rules End
Edit: v1.1 Tougher LAg criteria, loosened rock 1%, couple tweeks
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scgolfer
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Fnord, I think that is awesome. It is pretty close to how I determine my titles for players. I put the little avatars by their name, so when I use te game time feature I can tell easily and quickly whom I am dealing with. What can you do with the program? Very good analysis!
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Fnord
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The new beta can auto-assign. Paste the code into a text file and import.
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scgolfer
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HOw do I import into pt?
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Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!
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Toasty
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According to your stats, I'm tight/aggressive, please give me my shark icon 
and according to your stats in poker tracker you are 0.99% away from being a rock  but your Agg Factor is through the roof sitting at 3.65!!
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Toasty, have you gotten the new Beta off the Poker Tracker forums and tried auto-rate? Curious if you have any adjustments to my ratings...
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Fnord
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bisonbison speaks...
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=&fpart=1&vc=1
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Toasty
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I can't read 2+2 from work, it's locked out but I'll have a play on Wednesday.
Your set-up looks solid to me, I might move the LAg to 30% though, as I have seen some solid players who can see >25% of the flops in passive games but I wouldn't call them Loose. This would also give you some space against someone who is TAg but has had a good run of cards.
I think there are a few gaps too like pfr 2% AF 0.99 VPIP 17% I can't see where this person would fit in. maybe change the range of the tight passive to <less than 20%
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Originally Posted by Toasty
Your set-up looks solid to me, I might move the LAg to 30% though, as I have seen some solid players who can see >25% of the flops in passive games but I wouldn't call them Loose. This would also give you some space against someone who is TAg but has had a good run of cards.
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Not at most online 2/4 or 3/6 tables.
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Originally Posted by Toasty
I think there are a few gaps too like pfr 2% AF 0.99 VPIP 17% I can't see where this person would fit in. maybe change the range of the tight passive to <less than 20%
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A proper VP$IP per ToP is around 15%, playing only hands with a pre-flop edge. Since our opponents are a little loose, we can add 5% or so pretty safely (mostly pairs, suited aces and the rare connector) as a means to go at them with pre-flop implied odds. Once you get to 25%+ you're no longer tight and are playing lots of very marginal positions. This sends your rake exposure and variance through the roof.
The gaps are intentional. I can't really clasify them either. They play a reasonable amount of hands, but passively.
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Toasty
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Originally Posted by Fnord
A proper VP$IP per ToP is around 15%
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Not sure, this seem's to tight to me, the 10/20 level and up is more likely for this % but in the 2/4 I think you are losing a lot of value playing this tight as you won't win as often with these hands as the higher level due to being outdrawn (I know in theory you will win more with more callers but it doesn't always work that way, yesterday I had Aces 4 times for a loss of $26, picked up $11 twice and got cracked twice).
Also the 2/4 games are split, some are super tight (picking up the blinds with an UTG raise) and some are loose 5-6 people to the flop. I'm currently around 22.5% VPIP at 2/4.
I was playing tighter than this but loosened up towards LJs calling hands in late position when a few people were already in the pot. I'll have to have a look into PT on Wed and see who's winning and who's not and compare VPIPs.
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Yes, ToP and such are oriented around a tigher game. But you still shouldn't be adding more than 5% or so to that. For example, in the last month my VP$IP with 22, 33 and A9s (and lower) is over 60% and I'm still just over 18% VP$IP. At some point you're just playing EV neutral positions. Where that is depends on the rake and your post-flop abilities compared to the other players. Also, consider all the hands you need to fold just to get out of the way of raises, etc.
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Toasty
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MAybe i've been calling with two much connected junk in middle position, I'll check PT and get back to you.
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Hey Fnord, I just auto - updated all my icons. I think I see way to many fish and many frequent players that do not fit a group? You believe anything above 30% is automatically fish? Just wondering if you have anymore thoughts on the adjusting and or changing some of the icons rates? I like the beta version, cant wait to try the auto import feature that was always a pain in the butt to have to do when playing multiple tables.
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Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by scgolfer
Hey Fnord, I just auto - updated all my icons. I think I see way to many fish and many frequent players that do not fit a group? You believe anything above 30% is automatically fish? Just wondering if you have anymore thoughts on the adjusting and or changing some of the icons rates? I like the beta version, cant wait to try the auto import feature that was always a pain in the butt to have to do when playing multiple tables.
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Try turning off pre-flop for calculating aggression and see if that helps.
A fish is just a little fishy, which 30%+ VP$IP over 50+ hands almost always is. Remember, the most common mistake is playing too many hands (KTo any position, even cold calling 2) passivly (check + call.) Having players fall in the middle is by design. Basically they play a reasonable range of hands not too aggressivly.
I'm going to try BisonBison's rankings soon to see how that works.
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Toasty
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I can't justify the time it will take to set up vs its helpfulness atm. I'm only seeing 2 people on a table with notes if that. My notes are exported already though with VPIP PFR Fold SB BB so I can usually make my only conclusions from these.
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I like BisonBison's suggestion on 2+2. He sets Poker Tracker to auto-request hand histories and auto-import and update. I tried this last night and it worked very well. I got to see some stats for people who had been playing on my table for the last hour and it helped correctly call/raise/fold to a fish/maniac/rock. So even though when I usually sit down, I only have notes on 1 or 2 people, I can get some stats after playing with them for a little time.
Warning: There will be high variance in profiling the your opponents (maybe even completely wrong), since you'll only have a couple dozen hands on them.
Fnord, did you try out BisonBison's rankings?
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