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I print a t-shirt with a logo on it .. " 10.000 hands is not a long term. - Fnord " Well its a kind of personal joke with my friend and since we both admire Fnord .. i did it  Anyway thats my story : Before 4 days i receive the salary from my job and since i study a lot about poker ( watch some WPT on internet, read books , forums , play with very few money in very small tables ) i decide to invest some of it and use it as my bankroll. So i deposit 60$ and start in 0.50-1$ table ( i know the bankroll is not the proper ) After 4 days playing VERY tight and agreesive the 60$ become 200$ ( dont believe it was luck .. i played ALOT about 10 hours per day ) and it seems like i was start to understand the game. Today start to playing after i finish my job and notice that my $$ was going down.. no bad beats .. no miracle draws .. .. no bad calls .... just losing .. After i lost enough about 100$ i had the "wonderfull" idea to move on a bigger table - shorthanded with my remaining bankroll.. ( since i play better in short handed tables... it will be easy to take back my 100$ ) After 20 minutes in the 3/6 i find my self depositing another 120$ .. and after losing the new 120$ i realize that i lost so much.. Of course i was really angry and thats why i take a walk.. some fresh air make me good and now im back and writing this post. Well... i believe i will find a fairy-tale to excuse my empty bank account to my parents... But i dont believe i will find the courage to start again reading and reading and studing about poker without FTPers help.. So please feel free to tell me anything .. any advice any comment anything.. Fnord im ur biggest fan u will never lose ... 
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| Laeelin |
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Bankroll management is SUPER important... Far more important than most think... Most people think that if they have the skill to play at a level they are not bankrolled for, they just need to get lucky and just not be on a downswing when they start playing above the level they are bankrolled for. The truth is harsh though. Not only do you need to be on an upswing, you also need to be at the very beginning of that upswing. For example: Your bankroll is $50 You decide to play at the .25/.50 limits anyway because you know for sure you have the skill needed for that level. Lets even say that your right, and that you DO have the skill. Let’s not only say that you’re on an upswing, but also near the start of the upswing... You still will lose your bankroll unless you happen to catch the perfect timing. Hopefully the image below will explain it better than I can with words... 
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Pfft, all the 'rilla wannabees are personally trained in hand to hand combat as well as pwning j00 at the poker table. You picked wrong! -'rilla |
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Nah.. poker classes not a good idea.. What more mighty Fnord , the guy with the japanese avatar and the other one who set a 25k goal and achieve it in 3 months and everyone else in here can offer u in a poker classes ? They post everyday and they try to help everyone from 3/6$ players to 0.05-1$ Maybe order a FTP t-shirt if u want to say "thanks"  At least thats what im going to do after i receive my new salary In Fnord i trust |
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Anyway, I've thought about poker lessons, then i realized how unprofitable they really would be. |
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| MannerBoy |
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yea u should think about it again when u are going to retire  its really unprofitable |
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| Am I the only one that does not understand this thread? | ||||
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| Doesn't make a lick of sense to me. I thought FTR was poker lessons you idiots. | ||||
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When I say poker lessons I am talking about Fnord or whoever else logging onto IRC with a student. Then the student sits down at a table and the teacher watches him play and makes hand by hand comments on how to play. I know that this is done somewhat already but this way the extremely talented players can sit down for long periods at a time with an inexperienced player and still get payed. The teacher could set up a site with affiliate programs that FTR does not have. Then the student would make the necessary deposits into the poker site. That way the teacher could get payed and the student could get an intense lesson for free. I can't believe that nobody else thinks this is a good idea. |
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Fnord's been sending me a bill every month already.  It's actually not a bad idea. The only problem with it is that most new players that come to FTR don't have a large bankroll and aren't completely convinced they want to make a large investment of time or money. If Fnord would even consider doing something like this for money he would probably want something like $25/hr if not more. It would be worth it if you had the money, but they don't. I've been getting free advice from Fnord for awhile now. The best way to get him to teach you is to tell him he's wrong about something. Then he takes extra time to clearly explain everything. I've been tricking him for months now. Quote:
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I print a t-shirt with the Fnord quote from the post " WHY U SUCK AT POKER " there among others he say 10,000 hands isn't long-term.... So i print that quote in a t-shirt and in order not to ever ask me for copyrights i put his name next to the quote So the front of the t-shirt is like this .. " 10,000 hands isn't long-term " Fnord Huk maybe free lessons now ? 
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| Actually this got me thinking... maybe it's time to write a book. But not to talk about shit like pot odds and what hands to play from what position. That's been covered two dozen times by a dozen authors. I'm thinking more along the lines of a Mike Caro contribution to online poker. All the shit everyone else doesn't cover. How to look at the game. Table selection. Seat selection. Types of players. How to play AQo pre-flop. How to play an AAx flop. Shit like that... | ||||
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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| You wouldn't have to write a book, you could do a series of articles on a web site, have people pay a small fee to be an "insider" off of FTR for example. Then people would have access to professional players for tips and articles. Might be a way for FTR to expand there offerings. You could still contribute to the forums, just have more in depth anaylsis in the "insider" room/forum. | ||||
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FTR got a dozen of so good players.. We appriciate that all of them are willing to help us with hand histories and other stuff but lets make another step ... ( for a price of course ) hehe.. I guess a lot of people would like to pay a small fee in order to gain access to those articles. And those articles must have a small fee not in order to remain "secrets" but in order to give the authors a moto to write them.. People will pay to read those articles as long as those articles have something to say Fnord im ur biggest fan u never lose
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please tell me you are kidding. Fnord you may be good and all, but do you know how many THOUSANDS of online players there are out there just like you? people act like the internet game is so hard to beat and think when they do they are great. it isnt. any half bright monkey could beat the game with all the new bad players out there. all this talk about people being so great and going "pro" when the highest limits they play are something like $3/6 and $5/10 is a little rediculous |
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. . . Thats exactly the attitude that causes people to fail in life. Sad to see i on FTR. ps: you know the diffrence between the thousands, and the one that makes it? ... The one that makes it reached for his dreams, the others had the attitude your showing. |
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The reason i said this was i have become irritated at the people on this site who think they are such a supreme player (and some might be) and continually flaunt this by telling other players how bad they are or making fun of them for various reasons. it just seems that some people have a superiority complex bc they think of themselves as the best players on this site. Quoting Fnord specifically from previous posts "This has to be the stupidest collusion post I've ever seen" and "You probably don't even have a fucking clue what to look for anyway" to an obviously new player. Now seems to me someones got a big head and thinks its ok to say this type of thing in whats supposed to be a friendly forum. I just think people should watch what they say and how big their ego's get. |
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i think those comment were not from Fnord the poker player, but rather Fnord the moderater. i think those quotes were taken way out of context and YOU could always go somewhere else if YOU do not like it. |
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talk about the pot calling the kettle black! your own post belittling those players who decide to go pro at the 5/10 level was the most insulting thing i've read on FTR in months. generally speaking, FTR folks are here to help each other out. there is very little "attitude" here. you must be confusing FTR with another forum. ChezJ |
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| p.s. i just looked up the referenced "collusion" post and it is indeed INCREDIBLY stupid. | ||||
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| Lock this down. This is quickly turning into a pissing contest. There is a difference between sharing your opposing view which is fine and should be encouraged and simply attacking someone which is not. | ||||
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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| I think this should make it into FTR's top ten most pointless threads (if they had one). Let's just all forget this thread ever happend. | ||||
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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If it wasn't for the lack of benefits and self-employment tax I could make more money doing this than contracting as a code monkey. |
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id be a liar if i said ive never done that before. i'd start small if i were you ... ultimate bet has some great micro tables. deposit like 50$ ... follow proper bankroll management for your levels until you have a large enough bankroll for 2/4 limit, then move to party poker and play their 2/4 ... thats what i did. most importantly, pick up some limit poker books, start from the beginners, work your way up to the advanced books, ,and of course, read FTR daily... education and experience does wonders. |
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"Imagine how it would be to be at the top Making cash money, Go and tour all around the world, Tell stories about all the young girls." - The Prodigy - Girls
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| At least i understand what "getting on tilt" mean.. i pay it a lot but .. anyway .. i think i will play a lot of SnG.. since it seems the best way to gain expirience and not risk enough from ur BR.. | ||||
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Most of those ten want to learn how to win. I've been asked to show friends how to do it, and I'm nowhere near as studied and skilled as Fnord. |
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I've seen enough horrible books to know I certainly won't bring up the rear. I think there is a place for the guy who's read the charts + odds and wants to know what it takes to me more than a marginal winner in small stakes games. |
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There is always space to improve... I dont know about other but i would be more than happy to have someone like Fnord or ilikeaces86 or anyone from FTR guide me.. Their poker skills is art and still they behave like they do nothing.. thats the most important.. they are willing to help you no matter the level of ur game. Fnord the next WPT champion
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fnord i think it's a pretty good idea. i was at the bookstore and all of the books on "online" poker were just basic hold em strategy books with like 1-2 chapters tacked on at the end talking about how to play online. pathetic. no insights whatsoever that you couldn't pick up by playing online yourself for 15 minutes. i think publishing a physical book could be a significant challenge though. there's agents and publishers and distributors and all kinds of bullshit to deal with. and by the time your book is on the shelves, it could be out of date as technologies advance. have you considered an e-book or a pay-for-access website with information that gets updated on a periodic basis? of course this opens up your book to piracy... i think i even saw some of FTR's hold em strategy pages ripped off and posted at some cheap affiliate site recently. ChezJ |
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Fnord and others have given me tons of honest, unfiltered feedback about my game that I wouldn't get many other places. If people make misleading posts (not above this myself) that confuse everyone, it takes away from the forum and makes more work for the moderators to clear things up. I don't mind a little harsh critcism of posts sometimes to keep everyone grounded and straighten things out quickly...besides variance does a number on most anyone's demeanor. 
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"Been gone so long, forgot how to poker"
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| fnord, hyper and trikflow all have helped me read hands better... i'm right about 30% of the time when i'm able to get a decent read and burn my opponent on his wiffed AK | ||||
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"Imagine how it would be to be at the top Making cash money, Go and tour all around the world, Tell stories about all the young girls." - The Prodigy - Girls
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