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Old 08-27-2006, 04:26 PM     Post subject: Flush with really nasty river? #1 (permalink)  
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with A T
4 folds, MP3 raises, Hero calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 2 J J (5.5SB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: 9 (5.75BB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls.

River: J (9.75BB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11.75BB

Opponent: 14/7
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Old 08-27-2006, 05:22 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Pots too fold for online read -- no way I can fold there facing 3 donkbets... just too weird. FWIW, a 14/7 is unlikely to have a J in his hand. AJ would be the only possible hand, but he's not raising KJ or QJ much. I'd say villain has TT+.

Still no way I'm folding. Take Thy Medicine.
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Exactly my thinking... Preflop allright?
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Exactly my thinking... Preflop allright?
Not really, if he was a maniac I would 3 bet, a tight raiser probably fold. Maybe if you were the 2nd-3rd one to cold call i could see doing it.


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Didnt catch the preflop part...

As jeff said, 3bet or fold. I wouldn't fault you for either one, but be aware that you are very, very, often dominated with AT against a raise

I tend to be a good bit more aggressive than my opponents, so my personal style is to threebet this against all but the most extreme tightys and play solidly postflop, hoping to pick up the pot when we both miss due to my aggressive tendancies, and alos minimize losses when im outkicked (therefore, I don't like hitting an A on the flop, and I check through lots of turns.)
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Old 08-29-2006, 05:22 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Re the pf raise, if we put villain on the usual stuff, AA-66, AKs-QJs,
AQs-QTs, KTs, AKo-QJo, AQo-KJ, we're not ahead very often. I'd fold unless I had a read on him as loose here, in which case I'd 3 bet. I don't like to coldcall in this situation, in part because the big blind may well be getting 5 to 1 odds to call.

The donk on the river and the earlier betting just about have to mean a full house or better (I'm putting him on KJs, for what it's worth), but all I have to do is win 9% of the time. On the chance that he could have stepped out w KQ of diamonds, I'll call. I don't think I'll win 9% of the time, but at the table I know I'd call.
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