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copa

03-03-2005, 01:46 PM Post subject: Flush Hand history

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Stage #92521871: Holdem Normal $0.25/$0.50 [2005-03-03 09:36:41]
Seat 1 - HOTTRODDS $4.25 in chips
Seat 2 - BIGTHRILLA $2.04 in chips
Seat 3 - RICKY888 $4.30 in chips
Seat 4 - ZHANA17 $5 in chips
Seat 5 - SKATZ03 $8.92 in chips
Seat 6 - DAWNIEDORK $3.80 in chips
Seat 7 - CHUTRAIN $19.75 in chips
Seat 8 - BEHINDTHE8 $18.44 in chips
Seat 9 - WELLTESTER $6.10 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 5] ***
DAWNIEDORK - Post small blind $0.10
CHUTRAIN - Post big blind $0.25
ZHANA17 - Post $0.25
ZHANA17 - Pocket [6c,8c]
BEHINDTHE8 - Folds
WELLTESTER - Calls $0.25
HOTTRODDS - Folds (Timeout)
BIGTHRILLA - Folds
RICKY888 - Calls $0.25
ZHANA17 - Checks
SKATZ03 - Calls $0.25
DAWNIEDORK - Calls $0.15
CHUTRAIN - Checks
*** FLOP [Ac,Kh,5c] ***
DAWNIEDORK - Checks
CHUTRAIN - Checks
WELLTESTER - Checks
RICKY888 - Bets $0.25
ZHANA17 - Calls $0.25
SKATZ03 - Folds
DAWNIEDORK - Folds
CHUTRAIN - Calls $0.25
WELLTESTER - Calls $0.25
*** TURN [Ac,Kh,5c,10c] ***
CHUTRAIN - Checks
WELLTESTER - Bets $0.50
RICKY888 - Raises $0.50 to $1
ZHANA17 - Calls $1
CHUTRAIN - Calls $1
WELLTESTER - Raises $0.50 to $1.50
RICKY888 - Calls $0.50
ZHANA17 - Calls $0.50
CHUTRAIN - Calls $0.50
*** RIVER [Ac,Kh,5c,10c,5h] ***
CHUTRAIN - Checks
WELLTESTER - Bets $0.50
RICKY888 - Calls $0.50
ZHANA17 - Calls $0.50
CHUTRAIN - Calls $0.50

Results will follow

Questions:
Should I have reraised?
Should I have been a little scared with so many callers?

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SteveO

03-03-2005, 02:02 PM

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You don't have anything near the nuts on the turn and were getting a good price on your calls relative to the size of the pot so I guess play was ok on the turn. If you were going to re-raise that would be where you would do it b/c the action tells you that at least one of them has a hand. So, IMO you messed up on the turn. You should have raised 1/2 pot or pot to define your hand, build the pot further, and prevent someone from getting the right price to suck out on you chasing that 4th club or FH. If you were re-raised you might consider folding.

On the river, just flat call. No sense in doing the betting for the guy who may have just filled in.

Seems like a very passive table or everyone fearful of the flush.

Overall, not terrible situation. You did not have the nuts and you were getting a fair price on your calls given the strength of your hand. DO not reraise on the river. There are a lot of hands out there that have you beat.

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copa

03-03-2005, 02:05 PM

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By the way, this was Limit, so the raises were all the max that could be done. It was not possible to re raise more than 50c.

Here is the final showdown and results:

*** SHOW DOWN ***
WELLTESTER - Show cards [Qc,Jd]
RICKY888 - Lost mucks
ZHANA17 - Show cards [6c,8c]
CHUTRAIN - Lost mucks
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($10.50) Rake ($0.50)
Board [Ac,Kh,5c,10c,5h]
BIGTHRILLA - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
RICKY888 - HI: [Lost mucks]
ZHANA17 - Total ($10) HI

$10)Flush, ace high [6c,8c - B:Ac,B:10c,P:8c,P:6c,B:5c]
SKATZ03 - Folded on the FLOP
DAWNIEDORK - Folded on the FLOP
CHUTRAIN - HI: [Lost mucks]
BEHINDTHE8 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
WELLTESTER - HI:Straight, ten to ace [Qc,Jd - B:Ac,B:Kh,P:Qc,P:Jd,B:10c]

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SteveO

03-03-2005, 02:19 PM

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Ahh, limit. no wonder everyone was such a puss. Well I still think is was ok not to raise the river with the board pairing and 3 more players. I re-raise the turn once you made the flush pump up that pot.

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ngericl

03-03-2005, 04:36 PM

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I've wondered, what're the percentages of another player having 2 hole cards the same suit as you? I don't believe it's very high, so if you get your flush on the turn, it's likely you're the only one. So how do you play the rest of the hand?

If your hole cards are fair or low, in this case 68, then I'd consider betting the turn hard to discourage those who need the river to make their flush. If you're holding face cards, then let them draw out.

Thoughts?

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Laeelin

03-04-2005, 02:01 AM

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I don't believe it's very high, so if you get your flush on the turn, it's likely you're the only one.

The problem with this (at least in my hands) is that when you hit another flush, you lose it all.

But then I play on low limit tables and can often fake other players into thinking your bluffing with an all in.

I feel (and could be wrong) that at the .25/.50 and lower levels you make more going all in with the nuts (or almost nuts) than by just betting big.

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a500lbgorilla

03-04-2005, 02:06 AM

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elipsesjeff

03-04-2005, 02:41 PM

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acually, I think his turn play is just fine. I think he should bet the flop here or check/raise it to build the pot as big as possible. Once that 3rd flush card comes out on the turn you have to make all those other people holding a higher flush card than you (say a 9c for example) pay if they want to see that river. Since you DONT have the nut flush here, you must get your money in here when you have the best of it at the turn.

Pretty much good play.

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