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Col2000
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12-05-2007, 11:19 PM
Post subject: flush on the flop
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i get k high flush on the flop both my cards contribute to the flush and there are 3 to players still in. i was on button , it was checked around to me then i bet and everyone folds. Is it reasonable to say i should have checked this and waited for some action before betting
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KoRnholio
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Depends on the flop texture. If the flop is crappy/uncoordinated like 842 all diamonds then I check behind and hope for someone to catch enough on the turn to bet or call. If the flop is something like QT8 all diamonds I bet it because it's more likely someone has either a pair or draw to call with.
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Col2000
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Col2000
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safe to say crappy
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KoRnholio
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Col2000
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safe to say crappy
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Yeah, that is pretty uncoordinated. I would usually check to let someone catch up a bit. Although betting isn't bad if you're in a game where people will call the flop with just overcards or chase a 10 or J high one card flush.
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DrivingDog
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A lot of it also depends on the preflop action, your table image, the other players etc. In a raised pot people will chase just about anything - overcards, Td, etc. If the pot's small and they don't have a hand or a good draw they're probably just going to fold. Smaller pots are better to slowplay esp. with position.
If your image is aggressive you're also more likely to get action, esp. from guys who like to bluff on scary boards, or are just hoping their little diamond is the best draw.
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Col2000
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ok ill post hand
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Col2000
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PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , Q.
1 fold, MP raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: (8 SB) 9, 7, 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB folds, MP folds.
Final Pot: 4 BB
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pokerfanatic
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it comes down to balance issues assuming that your opponents are not all complete donkeys they will notice some of what you do but not all of it...
im not a huge fan of cold calling this but w/e on the flop it's more about if you check a pair or 2 pair once and awhike here it will be harder to put you on a hand, or if you bet pairs and 2pairs a lot of times (obvious with this brick of a board you'd semi bluff a sole K or A a lot) so i figure when you semi bet and find folds then you show an immediate profit on your bet you also have to bet the made hands once and awhile so that players that do pay attention will not be able to play you perfectly, and from what i have seen at the FR games lately you have maybe 3 semi loose players and the rest are rocky as shit... as for 6m it's usually about 50/50 if you use seat selection criteria.
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DrivingDog
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I think it's a close decision. 2/3 times with 3 opponents at least one will have a spade here. And about 10% of the time someone else will have a made flush that they could be slowplaying. So these things argue for betting.
But since you weren't the preflop aggressor and three players checked the flop i think checking behind would be ok. The only card you're worried about is As and no-one seems to have that so let them see another card or two and hopefully it will improve their hands.
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Col2000
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12-06-2007, 01:39 PM
Post subject: similar hand
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this is a similar hand and i got a lot more from checking the flop they had both caught a queen seems like a perfect scenario for this passive table
PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , A.
UTG calls, MP raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.
Flop: (12 SB) 8, 4, 3 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks.
Turn: (6 BB) Q (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, MP folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls.
River: (12 BB) 4 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.
Final Pot: 15 BB
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pokerfanatic
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UTG should have folded the turn to a c/r shit i know i would have.... tc/r... there is the flush FOLD! of course unless i have a set then i call with 10 outs... well what i think is 10 outs...
how often would the C/r with you have no FD and only the Q in this spot... probably never you'd lead it...
like i said against a tougher completion it's on of those plays you can make balancing decisions with because both lines are +EV regardless, it's close enough where the little you give up at times for deception will gain you more money long run in tough games...
of course you wont run across that unless you do no sort of table selection at all just pick one randomly at small stakes or middle... even at high stakes you need to be extremely careful what game you sit in... otherwise you might have to put an effort out that you might not be able to do 100% the time... it takes a 100 times more effort to play a solid player that is tricky then it takes to play a donkey calling station that only raises up post flop with the damn near nuts...
i don't know the exact EV of each line, however you show profit when all your opponents fold regardless... there is a saying "win the big pots right away if possible and keep your fancy plays for small ones..."
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
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Col2000
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you show profit when all your opponents fold regardless... there is a saying "win the big pots right away if possible and keep your fancy plays for small ones..."
its hard to believe that but guess your right
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