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Kessler
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12-06-2005, 06:11 PM
Post subject: Flopping Trips in the BB
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Straight
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So I've been quad-tabling $.50/$1 on Party. I'm about 4000 hands into my journey, looking to build a bankroll to move to $1/2 with 300+BB.
There have been a few times when I'm in the BB that I flop trips. Sitting on a 8To, and see a free flop of 88x, for example. My normal procedure for this is to check/call the flop, (Slow play) and then check/raise a safe turn card and bet out the river. Rarely am I outkicked, and usually my hand is good. I've noticed that if I bet out the flop, the table folds and I win a small pot. I'm assuming that betting out in early position defines my trips too much.
Am I asking for trouble trying to milk this hand by giving a free/cheap turn card? Obviously if I get played back at I will re-evaluate and go into check/call mode for the rest of the board if need be.
Thoughts?
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If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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euphoricism
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My experiences say at .50/1, slow play it. At 2/4, bet it out.
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euphoricism
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Actually, let me go a little more in depth.
HEPFAP gives these types of examples ...
You have 8To in the BB and check for the free look.
Flop is 882.
You should bet this hand out, as there is unlikely to be a second best hand to give you action anyway, however, someones two outer turn card could screw you. It is unlikely that anyone will bet this flop if you check to them, and even if they do, they're highly likely to check behind on the turn, and fold the river.
Another option that I highly like with this type of flop is to check/call and then donkbet the turn. This will give the appearence that you hit the turn card, for better or for worse. You still might get no action. Sometimes thats just how it is.
Now say you have the same hand and the flop is 88A. This one is an easy slow play, given table texture, because there IS a second best hand to give you action.
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outphase
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Whenever I hit some funky trips in the blinds, i like to just bet it out in an unraised preflop pot. You don't know for sure if there's gonna be any action behind you to build the pot for a turn bet. Someone's drawing to something, just make them pay 
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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elipsesjeff
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Yeah, 99% of the time here I just bet out and dont count on anyone betting for me.
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Demiparadigm
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I am surprised no one mentioned a bet/call-check/raise line...
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Kessler
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Straight
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Actually, let me go a little more in depth.
HEPFAP gives these types of examples ...
You have 8To in the BB and check for the free look.
Flop is 882.
You should bet this hand out, as there is unlikely to be a second best hand to give you action anyway, however, someones two outer turn card could screw you. It is unlikely that anyone will bet this flop if you check to them, and even if they do, they're highly likely to check behind on the turn, and fold the river. |
Surprisingly enough, I've seen that someone bets at this flop a good portion of the time. Possibly with a pair to the x, a pocket pair over the board, or just plain overcards. And even though I check-raise the turn, the bettor (And maybe one or two more callers) will call down. In the event that the flop is checked around, I do bet the turn card, but for some reason by check-calling the flop I seem to win more bets overall.
I do realize that I'm playing 50/1, and a player may bluff at this flop in efforts to take it without a showdown. I do agree that @ 2/4+ would be a different story. I just hope I'm not getting myself into a bad habit that'll cost me at higher limits.
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If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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outphase
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
I am surprised no one mentioned a bet/call-check/raise line...
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I thought that was just a given 
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
I am surprised no one mentioned a bet/call-check/raise line...
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I thought that was just a given |
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euphoricism
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Originally Posted by Kessler
I do realize that I'm playing 50/1, and a player may bluff at this flop in efforts to take it without a showdown. I do agree that @ 2/4+ would be a different story. I just hope I'm not getting myself into a bad habit that'll cost me at higher limits.
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As long as you understand the "why" of the play, you can move/adjust it to suit the time. Whats good at one stake wont work at another, and whats good at one table won't work at another. These adjustments are where the real opportunities are found and the real money is made. The fish don't do it. They don't adapt. We do. Thats why we bring home the bacon.
Now that right there is one quotable paragraph if I do say so myself :]
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Surprisingly enough, I've seen that someone bets at this flop a good portion of the time. Possibly with a pair to the x, a pocket pair over the board, or just plain overcards.
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These people will tend to bet the flop and check behind on the turn and insta-fold (or insta-call if they catch a peice) the river -- because the only people who call their bets on a board like this tend to have them beat.
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