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Old 10-22-2007, 09:06 PM     Post subject: Flopped straight, bad turn, worse river #1 (permalink)  
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Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with 8 Q A A
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: K J T (9.5SB, 4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: K (10.75BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

River: 5 (14.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 16.75BB

Is this a bad hand pre? I bet the turn because I didn't want to just check and possibly give a free river, but maybe I should just check and see what both villains do instead? Should I have folded turn once raised? Can't fold river getting 15:1 can I?

edit - this is omaha 8, converter doesn't say so

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Old 10-26-2007, 02:41 PM #2 (permalink)  

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Ok, if this is Omaha Hi/Lo, your preflop hand is pretty weak since you have no low. So potentially you can't scoop the pot. For you to really proceed after the flop, you need a set of Aces, a flopped straight, the nut flush draw. If a possible low draw appears, your hand is even weaker, since your only playing for half the pot.

Preflop-wise. For Hi/Lo your hand has 3 draws at best. AA, Ac 8c, and AQ for a weak (non wrap) gutshot Nut straight. Without the low, you can only win half the pot. AA makes it not as bad, except the game is Limit, so you can't raise the odds in your favour.

On the flop, the UTG+1 player raised you and capped it. Does it make any sense for him to pump with a Set and no boat on what is a flopped Nut straight board? Without a possible flush draw at this point. I think he has AQ also for the straight. That's not to say he could also have a powerful redraw such as AQJJ. He knows you have the straight that's for sure. Hence there is a chance that if he's on the same straight as yours he could raise in the hopes of forcing you out of the chop, you should check-call the turn and river - given his flop line.

If he has a heart flush redraw by surprise then good luck!
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:07 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Preflop: You hand is too good to fold obviously, with the button raising I dont think reraising to thin the field is bad, but claling is fine also.

The flop is a great one for you, nut str8 on a rainbow board, both leading and 3 betting are OK

Turn is the worst card you can hit pretty much, you had a raiser and a caller on a capped flop, the likely hands for the raiser is either AQ or a set with a draw to the nut str (KKQ, JJA etc...), for the player calling all the way he may have a set, a badly played 2 pair or a lower str8, between the 2 players you are likely beat and looking at 2 outs to improve, and to top it off you are OOP, I dont think you have any reason to bet here, I would check, I would call one bet here, especially if it is from the UTG player, but fold to two bets, same line in the river


 
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check/call the turn, you don't have a hand to drive the betting anymore.
 
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