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Flopped the nuts twice--did I get enough value?

  
 
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Old 07-15-2006, 07:50 AM     Post subject: Flopped the nuts twice--did I get enough value? #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:
Hero is BB with KsKc
EP+2 calls
MP1 calls
MP2 calls
Hero raises
3 calls

Flop: JcKhKd
Hero checks
3 checks behind

Turn: Ad
Hero bets
Ep+2 calls
MP1 calls

River: 2h
Hero bets
EP+2 calls
MP1 calls

Hand 2:
Hero is UTG with AhTc
Hero raises
UTG+1 calls
UTG+2 calls
1 fold
MP2 calls
1 fold
SB calls
BB folds

Flop: KcJhQs
Hero checks
4 checks behind

Turn: Jd
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 3 bets, MP2 calls, SB calls, Hero caps, all 3 call

River: Ad
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, SB calls

***Can anyone tell me how I could have extracted more money off the first hand and if I played the second hand well at all. I had just started playing so please excuse the lack of read on any of the players.

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Old 07-15-2006, 07:57 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Bet the flop.
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Old 07-15-2006, 07:08 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1, I don't mind a flop check. Your hand is nearly unbeatable (only runner runner for straight flush or quad Aces can beat you). It is reasonable to give everyone a free card to catch up, and someone might bet. If, however, everyone at the table loves to call flop bets on scary flops without much of a hand, you certainly should bet.

Hand 2, flop check is very bad. Many hands can hit this flop, so you want to bet. You want to make any A or T pay to draw to split with you as well.
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 I still still think the flop check was good on hand 1, I was thinking more of checking the turn because I felt a jack would have to bet there, or even an AQ or A10 might lead out.
On hand 2 being the first to act I thought I could check raise b/c I figured that flop should have hit someone pretty big as well, someone could have had 2 pair AK or something along that line. In the end it was a chop b/c someone had k10. When I saw them turn over K10 i couldnt believe they did not lead at the flop! A little unlucky with the river ace but very lucky to flop such a big hand. In the future I will lead at this flop though because I really need to make a 10 pay to hit against me.

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 You cant expect other people to bet your hands for you, and, in some cases after a preflop raise checking the flop is seen as actually having the King.

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especially since it's multiway in hand 1
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Agreed, it is common for the PF raiser to bet any flop, as is the button when 2-3+ players have checked through. As always, YMMV and it depends.


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