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typhoon
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05-21-2006, 10:47 AM
Post subject: flopped a FH with low PP
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Join Date: May 2006
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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
Preflop: Hero is SB with  ,  . CO posts a blind of $0.75.
5 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop: (4.50 SB)  ,  ,  (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero folds, BB calls, CO calls.
Turn: (3.75 BB)  (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets, Button calls, BB calls.
River: (6.75 BB)  (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets, Button folds, BB calls.
Final Pot: 8.75 BB
Q1: Should I continue this hand on the flop
Cite from Lee Jones' Winning Low Limit Hold'em: "If the flop is all one rank when you have a pocket pair, you have an awkward situation. If you have a big pair (tens or higher), you have to stay with it as long as no overcards fall."
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Xanadu
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
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I raise the flop here. Button is likely to have nothing but overs and you are very likely to have the best hand. If you can get the BB and CO to fold, you should turn a good profit on this hand. Your hand is very vulnerable. If everyone calls the flop, there are likely 15-18 cards that beat you. If they call anyway, you do have good cards that can fall on the turn that will allow you to fire out a bet: 2s, 3s, 5s, and probably 7s.
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
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 Wow. Wow.
I'm not a big fan of WLLHE. Very weak tight.
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thenonsequitur
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05-21-2006, 09:22 PM
Post subject: Re: flopped a FH with low PP
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
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I'd recommend tearing out the pages of WLLHE, folding them up 4 times over, and using them as bookmarks to mark important sections of SSH.
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
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hahaha
And this is why Lee Jones is a great author.
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Xanadu
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
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Something to add ... mid pocket pairs 66-99 and to a lesser extent the lower pps don't just have set making value. They are valuable whenever no one else makes a higher pair (obvious but important). The difficult part is knowing when you can stick around with them or play them aggressively. It is a pretty advanced skill to get a lot of value from non-premium pps when they don't hit a set, but it is a very profitable skill to eventually learn. It is definitely much more important short-handed, but does have it's spots at full ring, such as this hand. I wouldn't recommend getting too tricky with this unless you are pretty sure what you are doing, but good spots to work on it are boards with 3 of a kind and boards with a high pair plus undercards to your pair when HU or sometimes 3 or 4 handed. As in this hand, a key is often to have good position on a likely better to throw in a key raise to thin the field as low-mid pairs are very vulnerable in multi-way pots.
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Prolaznik
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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You had ideal situation for raise on the flop. Probably you'd stay heads up with button. Then I'd bet on turn and check on river.
You could lose this hand, of course, but more often you'll win it.
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Ltrain
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Miami, Florida
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Read SSHE on protecting hands and you will see you had a classic situation to win this. A checkraise on the button's bet should drive out the other players, and then lead each street, folding to a raise or checkcalling one street if an Ace hits.
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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Fnord
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Stupid stupid easy flop check/raise of the button bet. Heck, I'd do this in passive live games too. When he 3-bets you we can talk about folding.
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