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12-10-2008, 02:16 AM Post subject: flopmonkeys boring games

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I thought I should start this new topic to post some of my games.
Chopper and others please criticize and offer advice even if it means offending me!

Instead of starting a new post for each one, Ill just post them here to keep the clutter down.

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flopmonkey

12-10-2008, 02:20 AM

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FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, K

2 folds, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (3 SB) K

, 4

, 5

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, SB calls

Turn: (3 BB) 3

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, SB calls

River: (6 BB) 8

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, SB caps, Hero calls

SB raises on the river when a 8H falls? If hes playing a pocket 88, then hes making a mathematical mistake right? So Im raising.

Total pot: $0.60 (15 BB) | Rake: $0.02

Results:
SB had Q

, 4

(one pair, fours).
Hero had 10

, K

(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $0.58

flopmonkey

12-10-2008, 02:30 AM Post subject: JJ loser

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, J

1 fold, Hero calls, 3 folds, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, CO calls

Flop: (9 SB) 6

, 2

, 6

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls

Turn: (6 BB) 7

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls

River: (9 BB) 10

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls

Total pot: $0.48 (12 BB) | Rake: $0.02

Results:
Button had A

, A

(two pair, Aces and sixes).
SB mucked 9

, 9

(two pair, nines and sixes).
Hero had J

, J

(two pair, Jacks and sixes).
Outcome: Button won $0.46

Wow talk about slow play!!? All that calling from the button, i was sure I had the best hand! This rarely ever happens in my experience, usually AA Reraises all the way.

asdpikas

12-10-2008, 12:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flopmonkey

SB raises on the river when a 8H falls? If hes playing a pocket 88, then hes making a mathematical mistake right? So Im raising.

67? 2pair?
3betting there is a mistake, he could have 88, or have you beat many other ways.
Turns out he was bluffing, but it is clearly better to call his raise and go for the MP overcall.
Most of the time, a c/r the on the river is a strong hand, so when you have a hand you aren't willing to fold (as is the case here w top pair) it is better not to open yourself to getting capped if you are beat.

Write a note on villain as a "spastic maniac". NH

He wouldnt be making much of a mistake postflop by playing 88 this way. If he had 88 his mistake would've been preflop (not raising).
IF he had 88 postflop, he played passive cause of the K, but he isnt folding as long as it's one bet each street as u guys could be on draws or 5x, 6x hands.
Once he catches his set, going for a c/r is totally fine.

asdpikas

12-10-2008, 01:22 PM Post subject: Re: JJ loser

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flopmonkey

Wow talk about slow play!!? All that calling from the button, i was sure I had the best hand! This rarely ever happens in my experience, usually AA Reraises all the way.

RAISE PF! openlimping this hand without a specific (VERY SPECIFIC) read/purpose is just terrible.
what are u hoping for if u get a couple limpers behind you and the blinds come along?
You would like to thin the field as much as possible in case the flop comes something like Q93 or even 3 babies...
You dont want overlimpers to come w hands such as Axs, KQo, QTo that can hit a pair to beat u...

Postflop
Why donk bet the flop?
U should go for the c/r if you believe you have the best hand.
That is a really dry board, BTN will c-bet any hand if checked to and you will get more value that way.
U are also turning your hand face up saying "i have an overpair afraid of overs coming"
U will get correct folds from hands that totally whiffed and u could get at least one small bet by c/raising.
If BTN has something like AKo, he will probably just call to peel getting good odds and knowing what u hold, gaining u 1 small bet.
If you c/r, he will still peel getting enough odds but u gain 2 small bets, he doesnt know what u have, and u charge him more to hit.

Donkbetting is only good as a blocking bet or going for a bet/3bet.
Here you are just ensuring u win the minimum when ahead and lose same or more when behind.

Chopper

12-10-2008, 08:03 PM

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KT hand... i just call the river raise. i see the wheel do this. i see 67 do this. i see lucky sets do this. i dont see bluffs do this, but i guess they do. nice 3bet. but, i just call it with a one pair hand.

dont open a pot for a limp w/ JJ, especially at the lower stakes. you have great preflop equity against their ranges. get some money in there. and for God sakes, if you DO limp, let him cbet the flop. you missed a c/r here. after he calls your c/r, you can just lead all streets until he pops you back. yup. usually AA will raise you on the flop or turn. but, he obviously read a book on hand reading that said when an opponent takes the lead on a paired board, he has at least trips. lol.

you actually profited here because 99 carried his hand too far and AA didnt make as much money as he could have....both are technically mistakes. they played their hands differently than they would have if they could see your hole cards...so, they lost money on the deal, and you gained by that. hard to see, but thats the way i look at this crap when it happens to me.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

flopmonkey

12-10-2008, 08:15 PM

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RAISE PF! openlimping this hand without a specific (VERY SPECIFIC) read/purpose is just terrible.

Because I was in early position...just following a starting hand chart. If the button would have bet like he should have, then Id know I was most likely up against a AA or KK.

Plus I wanted to find out if someone had the third 6, cause if they did, they might reraise me.

Might not be the right way to think, but its what i was thinking at the time.

Chopper

12-10-2008, 08:37 PM

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i dont know what starting hand chart you are using, but i just looked at 3. and, they all said JJ is a raise from ALL positions. TT is for that matter.

and, i am trying to show you examples of how you simply cannot pin a hand range down to a couple of holdings at these stakes. you cannot give them this much credit. they dont play like you are learning to play....and they dont care to.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

flopmonkey

12-10-2008, 08:48 PM

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Its in this book I have from mathew hilger, but I think it is for middle limit. I like it because it not only tells you what hands to play from each positition, but also what do play if there are x number of callers, if the pot is raised pre-flop, or if your first in.

Your right about this lowest level...I decided to go ahead and play in the .5/.10 and quit wasting time there. Played in 5/10 all day, made about 3 bucks.

Chopper

12-10-2008, 09:17 PM

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i will tell you this...

the lower limits go SUPER slow. i am still grinding my way through them. they are NOT for income...yet.

when you get over 50/1 and have rakeback accounts, now we start talking about "spending money." but, other than that, there are other ways to make money if that is your primary goal.

small stakes NL is better. micro SNGs are good. micro LHE is for splashing around with donkeys and trying to get good at the fundamentals of limit because you see the gigantic potential of fish that dont ever learn and rakeback combining to make it, imo, more profitable than the same stakes of NL....without the headaches. (i will add to that if i must)

others disagree. that is MY opinion.

i believe the game is going to transition away from NL (the fish lose their money too quickly) and come back to LHE (where they can get lucky once in awhile and stick around longer...giving me a better shot at them in the long run). the other plus i see is that there is almost NO advice for limit players. i mean, its there, but it is nowhere near as prominent as NL advice. all vids are focusing primarily on NL or tourneys.

great for the sharks over there....teach everyone how to play better. over here, a few of us (some qualified, some not (like me...lol)) are trying to learn, and will help the FEW others interested, too.

just my nickel.

ps. matt hilger's book, Internet Texas Hold 'Em, is a great book, too. and, its not designed for midstakes. but, it WAS written in 2003, i think, and has become a bit outdated as far as specifics go, imo. he teaches a rather passive game for an online world that is NOW exponentially more aggressive...and tighter. his book would be great for low level live play...but, i like sklansky/miller's SSHE and HEFAP much more. they, also, tell you what to play in which positions according to how many are in the pot to a certain degree. anymore specific than those two are and i think it becomes overkill. you just cant memorize everything for every situation...

i know some of you are laughing that CHOPPER just said that...lol.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

flopmonkey

12-10-2008, 09:48 PM

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Is SSHE & HEFAP geared toward No Limit? I cant see much about LHE in thier reviews.
Also, if I can only get one, which one would you recommend for me. And any other books on LHE, Ill take those too..Can never have to many poker books, Im in this for the long haul.

Making money is my primary goal. I am business minded and always looking for ways to add an extra stream of income. I know I will not be good enough to make any significant sums of money from this game for atleast a couple years prolly. (If you keep coaching me, maybe alot sooner

I dont want to become a pro tourney player, I just want to play online and nibble on fish.

Chopper

12-10-2008, 09:53 PM

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i'll get you a list.

and, you sound like you have the same goal as me. fishnibbler.\

edit: SSHE and HEFAP are geared almost exclusively to LHE. i ordered SSHE a few years back, thinking it was a NL book, and was surprised as i read it. however, it still taught me macro concepts for NL that i applied.

i would start with SSHE. then, HEFAP. ITH is a good "first book," too, though. Harrington's books are good if you ever want to play tourneys of both LHE and NL. those will all get you over the hump of microstakes games easily, imo. if you like, Doyle's SS2 is a great pickup for the basics of most disciplines. if you like other games, there are good 2plus2 books on Stud and Omaha. basically, there are books for everything.

if you like theory, for all games, i like Theory of Poker by David Sklansky, but that's not an easy read for me because its very "big picture" and borders on abstract.

another i really got a ton out of....thanks juan and dog....was Stoxtrader/Zobag's book, "Winning in Tough Hold'Em Games." that one is helping me get past 50/1 on Stars and into 1/2. there is another that i want to read geared towards 6max LHE. maybe someone else will offer that title because i would only recognize it by going through stars' list.

these have ALL been purchased by using Stars FPPs. but, those were mostly from my NL days, when you could earn an FPP. good luck getting enough to buy anything other than a stress ball playing lower than 25/50c or 10NL.

that ought to help. again, i would start with SSHE and move to HEFAP before anything else.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

asdpikas

12-11-2008, 12:28 AM

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My 2c for flopmonkey,

I would put the limit books in this order (first the basics, last the ones to read once you are more experienced and have read the first ones LOL)

-SSHE (This book is still helping me play FR at 3/6 and is basic enough. It should hopefully engrain some REALLY important concepts in our brains. I still go back to it from time to time)
-Harrington's books 1-3 (This is NL tourney mainly, but a great read and again some invaluable basic concepts that apply for everything "poker")
-The Theory of Poker (The bible, but a tougher more abstract book like Chopper said. All poker players MUST read this if they are serious)
-Winning in tough hold-em games (Great book but only applyable once you get to 1/2 or higher and then, only against the regs. If you get there, you will value this book more than anything LHE related.)

EXTRAS:
-Supersystem2 is fine to read but a bit outdated and the LHE part is just not so great. Still a good read.
-Ace on the river. If you are planning on making poker one of your main sources of income this book gives a good picture of what it is like. This is not a theory book.

-I also recommend anything coming from Sklansky and Ed Miller. They are great writers and teachers and really know their shit. I think Chopper agrees with me here

NON-BOOK resources:
-FTR
-Coaching videos. I love Stox vids, but on a more basic level, even I did a couple of vids that you can find here by searching my posts. You'll get to see people playing while going through their thought processes, which is invaluable sometimes to get theory concepts to glue themselves and make sense while playing.
-DVDs. I downloaded a couple of nice ones that i think are actually worth the time watching. One by Ed Miller on LHE basics, and one from the annual Poker conference with presentations on different topics.

Flopmonkey, I started where u are about 1year ago and now poker is my job and have moved up levels consistently, so if i can make it, anyone can (with effort and perseverance).

"could I take out every woman and child in a border town?"
For the right to be governed, waste them without mercy.
When you've decided. Meet me at the airport.

asdpikas

12-11-2008, 12:33 AM

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hmm, another 2c for the monkey...

pay attention to what Chopper says, he is on the money regarding the lower levels 100%
Since i moved up to the higher tier of SSHE, or MSHE, i sometimes lose track of some of the crap I used to see down there.

"could I take out every woman and child in a border town?"
For the right to be governed, waste them without mercy.
When you've decided. Meet me at the airport.

Chopper

12-11-2008, 12:56 AM

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lol@100%. but, many thanks all the same, bra.

hey, monkey, another great tip is to go to cardplayer.com (not to refer away because i know you will spend most of your time here now) and look up Ed Miller under the authors. look at some of his archived stuff. and, go to his site, notedpokerauthority.com, for his more current articles. he is far and away my favorite author, although stox has me open-minded.

in fact, all y'all need to be following some of those authors over there. they are constantly dripping precious pearls o' wisdumb. but, obv, keep FTR your home page. this is still a better site for your main poker discussion. the other places are just accessories, imo.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

flopmonkey

12-12-2008, 02:10 AM

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Thanks alot, I got SSHE on order.

Sometimes its hard to find the discipline to read a poker book when I really want to just go play poker. But I know its crucial that if I want to learn to play this game on a serious level, its gonna require some study. So I dedicated myself to read atleast 2 chapters per day, and review the forums and articles here and cardplay.com before I even log into pokerstars.

Also I notice that im going to have to read these books more than once. Prolly will take me 4 or 5 times before I finally "Get It"

Chopper

12-12-2008, 03:41 AM

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this would sound sarcastic if i didnt put this clarification up front: I AM DEAD SERIOUS HERE...

take the book in the shitter with you. do that EVERY time you take a shit and you will knock those books out in no time. i never schedule time to read. but, i always have a book in the can with me...just ask my kids. so much so that my 3yo takes a dr suess book in the can with him to look at the pictures.

people can laugh all they want, but this is PRODUCTIVE time. for me AND my kids. i dont care if they do it the rest of their lives, the can is not a place to sit and shit. its a place to LEARN something.

they tell you if you read 15 minutes a day, you will be one of the most "well read" people on the planet. well, why not combine that 15 minute block of time with something you enjoy learning.

believe me, you will start visiting the can 2 and 3 times a day. helps the bowels. helps the brain. (i know that sounds crazy, but think about it and you will agree its time well spent.)

in no time you will be ready for your next book, and will be reading/re-reading SSHE multiple times.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

flopmonkey

12-12-2008, 12:02 PM

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LMAO

Your absolutely right though! Good idea.

flopmonkey

12-13-2008, 02:25 AM

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FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

, J

4 folds, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (5 SB) 3

, 9

, 8

(5 players)
1 fold, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 3

(4 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold

River: (7.5 BB) 10

(3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, Button caps, Hero calls

Total pot: $1.65 (16.5 BB) | Rake: $0.08

Results:
Button had 10

, 3

(full house, threes over tens).
Hero mucked 7

, J

(straight, Jack high).
Outcome: Button won $1.57

I know I did not have enough pot odds to call that flop, but the button was one of the 2 players at that table who plays EVERY hand. Calling station. So I wanted to call him out. River saved me, but also saved HIM.

Was I wrong to do this? or should I always abide by pot odds, no matter the reads on people?

Chopper

12-13-2008, 03:19 AM

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thats not a good enough "read" to chase a gutshot into a flushy board. when your straight card hits....and completes a flush (or a stupid ass boat in this case).....you are dead. we call that "getting coolered." the deck sealed your fate for you. and, these are precisely the situations you need to see coming to save you valuable BBs.

i dont care WHO plays 100% of their hands. if the pot is only laying 5:1, you cant chase a gutshot w/o other outs to strong hands. and, if he's a true station, he will call you down with Ahi and you have to hit a pair to even merit betting. calling stations dont bluff, typically, so he only bets when he's WAY ahead of most hands. therefore, you arent "calling him out" on anything he doesnt want to be called on anyway...and, hes NOT folding, either.

sorry, but this one is pretty bad.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Chopper

12-13-2008, 03:21 AM

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somebody more articulate, please explain the concept of profitability when drawing. if i tried, and i will if no one responds, it will be another loooooong chopper post.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

flopmonkey

12-13-2008, 04:43 AM

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ok its getting hard to for me to make choices between playing the board and playing the player. gutshot draw demands 11:1. I knew better, but that guy was annoying me with his lucky shots.

Usually I play straight up no BS poker regardless of reads of people. Just trying to get an edge in sometimes.

check out my next hand with bullets.

flopmonkey

12-13-2008, 04:44 AM

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PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

, A

4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds

Flop: (5.4 SB) Q

, J

, 2

(2 players)
Hero bets, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.35 (2.7 BB) | Rake: $0.05

LOL boring but its the best hand I had yet at this level

Chopper

12-13-2008, 05:16 AM

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discipline, monkey, discipline. just because someone annoys you, you cant try and win every hand. just play your game. by simply being better than him, he will spill money into your pocket.

and for AA... super standard hand, but you knew that. my question: what do you do when he calls and raises a club turn?

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

asdpikas

12-13-2008, 12:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

somebody more articulate, please explain the concept of profitability when drawing. if i tried, and i will if no one responds, it will be another loooooong chopper post.

basically 2 concepts

pot odds:

if pot odds are good enough by themselves, you should draw to your hand if there is a good chance you will win if you hit your hand.

implied odds:

if pot odds aren't good enough by themselves, you should only draw to your hand if you think you will make enough money on later streets when you hit your hand.

CAVEAT

reduce all this if there is a chance you may be drawing dead or drawing to a second best hand. Thus turning your implied odds into what is called reversed implied odds (you will lose more when you hit)

In the actual hand, besides the fact that you are calling the flop with poor odds and there are players left to act that could raise cutting down your odds even further. ON THE TURN the board has paired. Before you had to worry one of your outs could complete a flush (reversed implied odds) and now you have to worry about boats too.... not a good situation not closing the action in a limped pot.

Chopper

12-13-2008, 02:35 PM

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and, thank you.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

flopmonkey

12-13-2008, 04:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

and for AA... super standard hand, but you knew that. my question: what do you do when he calls and raises a club turn?

If he raises a club turn, then he most likely has a flush. But I have the nut flush draw, so I would not raise, but call if the odds were right.

Right?

Chopper

12-13-2008, 06:57 PM

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thats probably the text way to play, but i would check him for notes first. if he is aggro, i would pop him again anyway. if hes a passive, nonbetting type, i would call and re-evaluate the river. bottome line, though, i am paying off a flush in limit w/o a vicious read. and, i am looking to set up an additional bet when MY nut flush comes in.

its about notes and player tendencies with me in this spot.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

flopmonkey

12-14-2008, 02:16 AM

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Wow what a great day! I hit two hands 4 of a kinds..came in 3rd place in a one table SNG..up about $5 for the day. I have been getting more comfortable playing in the .10/.20 and even the .25/.50 games the past few days. Hope I don't get too cocky. But really I like the type of playing that goes on in the .25/.50, Im rolled for that so I might hang out there for a while see what happens.

So I was playing a little looser here ATo. ATo is ok for middle but not for early, but I was close to middle position.

FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A

, 10

2 folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls

Flop: (8.5 SB) Q

, 5

, 6

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, BB calls, Hero folds, 1 fold

Turn: (5.25 BB) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, CO checks

River: (5.25 BB) 3

(2 players)
BB checks, CO bets, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.05 (5.25 BB) | Rake: $0.05

Nasty flop, and the CO was betting pretty fast, I figured he had a pocket pair or kk or ak or maybe even a Q, so I thought it wasnt even worth playing.

Thoughts?

Chopper

12-14-2008, 02:50 AM

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its a fine fold. and, fine WHEN you did it.

but, i think you are putting people on too tight a range still. i would put a "standard" player in the CO on a number of hands here. get used to focusing more on a range, not a hand.

here is what i think: two limpers...CO raises. hmmm. 88+, AXs, ATo+, KJs+, KJo+, basically any two broadways, and some larger sc's.

flop is two suited and connected w/ a Q. i bail faster than you can say "scram!" oop to 4 players, this flop sucks for us. but, i put CO on decent Q's, sc's that hit that flop, AXs in clubbies, possibly AK. he may have just read a chapter on cbetting, too. bottom line: who the F*** knows what he has, and i am not trying to narrow it down any more than this right now.

if someone raises and he calls, it tells me more. if he 3bets, it tells me more. but, he checks the turn, too. that tells me it was likely a cbet that didnt want to be called but DIDNT REALIZE 4 PLAYERS ARENT FOLDING THESE FLOPS AT 10/20c!!!!!

in other words, your range is too narrow still, imo.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

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