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jbmagic
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01-20-2005, 07:16 AM
Post subject: Flop Full house- how i do?
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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: jbmagic is SB with Q , Q .
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, jbmagic 3-bets, BB folds, MP2 caps, CO calls, jbmagic calls.
Flop: (13 SB) 7, Q , 7 (3 players)
jbmagic checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, jbmagic raises, MP2 3-bets, CO folds, jbmagic calls.
Turn: (10 BB) 2 (2 players)
jbmagic checks, MP2 bets, jbmagic calls.
River: (12 BB) Q (2 players)
jbmagic checks, MP2 bets, jbmagic raises, MP2 calls.
Final Pot: 16 BB
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Fnord
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I don't get the turn, you have the second nut...
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jbmagic
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I don't get the turn, you have the second nut...
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i agree stupid rookie mistake
how should i have played the turn?
the rest ok?
thanks
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by jbmagic
how should i have played the turn?
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Well calling was bad and no way in hell you're folding. Hmm... let me think about this overnight...
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rorix
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01-20-2005, 08:11 AM
Post subject: Re: Flop Full house- how i do?
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Originally Posted by jbmagic
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: jbmagic is SB with Q , Q .
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, jbmagic 3-bets, BB folds, MP2 caps, CO calls, jbmagic calls.
Flop: (13 SB) 7 , Q , 7 (3 players)
jbmagic checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, jbmagic raises, MP2 3-bets, CO folds, jbmagic calls.
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I would have called this bet here, you don't want to be showing too much agression - CO has figured his hand might be alright and getting an extra flop bet out of him isnt as important as getting a big bet and on a dangerous board like that he isn't going to be calling with his crappy hand chasing to a reraise from a 3 better preflop. If he does call, you get 2 small bets, but you're risking at least 1 big bet on the turn or maybe even more if he hits something. Of course, he could fold the turn to the big bet, but I think it's a reasonable risk to take.
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Turn: (10 BB) 2 (2 players)
jbmagic checks, MP2 bets, jbmagic calls.
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Woulda reraised here while making it look like you've got Q decent kicker or something like that, maybe TT JJ sorta hand, looking to see where you're at, if he had 7x or AQ, KQ etc. Hoping if he calls he'll lead out on the river putting you on a bluff or Q-shitty kicker or even better a reraise on the turn.
River you've got to reraise of course.
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Fnord
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01-20-2005, 02:13 PM
Post subject: Re: Flop Full house- how i do?
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Originally Posted by rorix
I would have called this bet here, you don't want to be showing too much agression - CO has figured his hand might be alright and getting an extra flop bet out of him isnt as important as getting a big bet and on a dangerous board like that he isn't going to be calling with his crappy hand chasing to a reraise from a 3 better preflop. If he does call, you get 2 small bets, but you're risking at least 1 big bet on the turn or maybe even more if he hits something. Of course, he could fold the turn to the big bet, but I think it's a reasonable risk to take.
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Meh, overall I don't like waiting for the turn in these kinds of situations. It's just screms monster and makes it really expensive to for him call down, peel cards or play back at you. Also, there is value in playing it fast for deception. In any case, with nearly 100% equity in this pot I want to give him the rope to hand himself with now instead of giving him a reasonable fold decision on the turn.
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rorix
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01-20-2005, 03:01 PM
Post subject: Re: Flop Full house- how i do?
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Meh, overall I don't like waiting for the turn in these kinds of situations. It's just screms monster
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Not really. Most online players would check call with good hands that they can't believe got cracked, or even just randomly fishing with an ace or king. Guys are really bad.
Check raising the flop, now that's aggression.
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and makes it really expensive to for him call down, peel cards or play back at you.
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How so? You're giving him a free turn card...well, not free, but he's already paid for it. The flop getting 3 bet is going to make it expensive for him to call! (Sure, we didn't know it was going to get 3betted,but the checkraise won't get a big bet out of him on the turn unless he hits)
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Also, there is value in playing it fast for deception. In any case, with nearly 100% equity in this pot I want to give him the rope to hand himself with now instead of giving him a reasonable fold decision on the turn.
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Yeah, sure, lead out with the bet, but checkraising is imo the most aggressive thing you can do it limit poker. Check raising doesn't say 'I've got underpair and I hope it's good" or "I've got AK and I don't think you guys hit", there's no deception checkraising with a monster.
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Fnord
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Yeah, leading out is best in these situations.
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gabe
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jb, just keep hitting bet/raise everytime
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jbmagic
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Originally Posted by gabe
jb, just keep hitting bet/raise everytime
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ok thanks
is that better than doing check raise on the hand above?
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it really depends on your read on your opponent. are they likely to raise you after you bet, allowing you to 3bet? or will they call down losing bets vs the check raise?
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gabe
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what i said was kinda wrong.
hyper explains it better. if you know he will bet the turn, you can check raise then try to cap the turn and the river. but if he is making a play for a free card, which isn't realy likely on a flop like this, then you might be in trouble.
hands like this where you aren't maximizing your profit aren't really leaks, i try not to worry about them.
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