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Old 12-31-2005, 12:38 PM     Post subject: Was this flop fold too tight? #1 (permalink)  
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"Chinamaniac" had been raising a lot of hands towards the beginning of the session, but he'd since slowed down, so I suspect he might've just been on a card rush. The one hand I saw him show down was A-K suited. Even if he had somewhat loose raising standards, I think that in general an out of position raise from the big blind after two limpers, followed by a bet into two opponents deserves at least some respect, even from lagg opponents. Should I call this assuming my overcards are legitimate outs (I'm resigning myself to hoping he has A-K), or just fold and move on?

PokerStars Game #3488675417: Hold'em Limit ($5/$10) - 2005/12/31 - 08:31:07 (ET)
Table 'Larissa' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: steppp ($122 in chips)
Seat 3: chinamaniac ($521 in chips)
Seat 4: greeceteo ($108.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Profane ($193 in chips)
Seat 6: dsaxton ($255 in chips)
steppp: posts small blind $2
chinamaniac: posts big blind $5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dsaxton [Td 9d]
greeceteo: calls $5
Profane: folds
dsaxton: calls $5
steppp: calls $3
chinamaniac: raises $5 to $10
Dreamshadow has returned
greeceteo: calls $5
dsaxton: calls $5
steppp: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [2s 8h 6s]
steppp: checks
chinamaniac: bets $5
greeceteo: folds
dsaxton: folds
steppp: folds
chinamaniac collected $38 from pot
chinamaniac: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40 | Rake $2
Board [2s 8h 6s]
Seat 2: steppp (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: chinamaniac (big blind) collected ($38)
Seat 4: greeceteo folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Profane folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: dsaxton (button) folded on the Flop
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Old 12-31-2005, 02:48 PM #2 (permalink)  
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You absolutely cannot fold that flop for one small bet.

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Old 12-31-2005, 02:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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No folding here is -EV.

the four gutshot outs alone is woth calling one SB for. and he could easily have AK or AQ here thus theres some outs left in your overcards.
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Old 12-31-2005, 08:08 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I guess so.
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:27 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 What does everyone think of raising this here to isolate the limper? If you had a read I like it better than limping IMO, especially if our open limper is a cool 50/5/.5 that I try to get position on in these shorthanded games.


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Old 01-01-2006, 04:30 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I don't mind a raise here at all. and I rasie it almost always when facing only one limper, but reads can alternate this ofcurse.
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Old 01-01-2006, 05:28 PM #7 (permalink)  
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your implied odds are good enough to call it on the flop for the gutshot, but you could always raise for the free card on the turn
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