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05-02-2005, 12:08 AM
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PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is MP with A , A .
1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold.
Flop: (7 SB) T , 4, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, SB calls.
Turn: (8 BB) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, SB calls, Hero folds...
to me, it was either bet/fold, or check/fold....calling down would be rather expensive if any of the other 2 go into a raising war. i didn't like SB calling all those flop bets, i smelt a check raise.
thoughts?
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Hmmm.... got read?
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I really don't like this fold. Without a read he raises with TPTK here or any pair above a T and you have that killed. More often than not he's not raising on his flush draw.
Also, the SB didnt raise the turn so if you wanted you could call down. You should have led out this turn, and not be afraid of the flush draw.
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I think it's reasonable for either one to have a flush draw. Between the paired board and the 3rd spade (remember this creates a re-draw even if no one has 2 spades) I think the hero is behind often enough to laydown. However, I really want a read before I go and do cute things like this.
Still, we're getting 10:1 on the turn call...
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i really hated this fold. the main reason i was folding was because it was not truly 10:1. since i slowed down, i would have to call the river down again since i would be getting almost 15:1 to call now, even if the 4th spade falls.
in effect, it was more like 7:1 odds.
being a little results oriented, this was a horrible laydown, as all the villain had was T8o, and the other guy mucked.
i think bet/call is the best line here after more thinking. if you get raised, you got 4 outs to improve to a boat, and good odds to call the river even if you miss.
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I don't think laying down to a 4rth spade is out of line, as by that point you're in pretty bad shape.
As a rule, don't laydown pretty good hands to unknown players.
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Originally Posted by hypermegachi
being a little results oriented, this was a horrible laydown, as all the villain had was T8o, and the other guy mucked.
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calling preflop raises in late position with T8o !? i hope he's on your buddy list.
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calling preflop raises in late position with T8o !? i hope he's on your buddy list.
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Are you suggesting that this behavior is uncommon enough to warrent keeping careful track of these rare gems of poker value spewage?
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calling preflop raises in late position with T8o !? i hope he's on your buddy list.
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Are you suggesting that this behavior is uncommon enough to warrent keeping careful track of these rare gems of poker value spewage? |
oh my bad, didnt see that it was the 2/4 tables, i thought hyper moved up to the 3/6 5/10 
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Are you suggesting that this behavior is uncommon enough to warrent keeping careful track of these rare gems of poker value spewage?
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oh my bad, didnt see that it was the 2/4 tables, i thought hyper moved up to the 3/6 5/10 |
This isn't uncommon at 3/6 either. At the real fishbowl poker sites, it's not really uncommon for 4/8 and 5/10 either.
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I will bet fold in turn, don't know if it is right?
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You shouldnt fold on this board period.
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if raised by somebdy in turn ?
then how?
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Call it down. too many people over play their TPTK or even Top two pair for that matter to consider folding this hand to the slightest of aggression.
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ask yourself .. WWSD (what would sklansky do)
david would say you need to be 95% sure you are beat before laying it down.
small mistake, crying call
big mistake, lay down the best hand forfeiting the pot that is rightfully yours
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ask yourself .. WWSD (what would sklansky do)
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you mean to say:
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ask yourself .. WWSD (what would sklansky do)
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you mean to say:
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oh my bad, didnt see that it was the 2/4 tables, i thought hyper moved up to the 3/6 5/10 |
i'm currently playing 3/6 full, and 2/4 short, just to keep my variance low.
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oh my bad, didnt see that it was the 2/4 tables, i thought hyper moved up to the 3/6 5/10 |
i'm currently playing 3/6 full, and 2/4 short, just to keep my variance low. |
how much different is the 3/6 tables from the 2/4
i tried the 3/6 for about 30 minutes, lost close to 200$ and decided to wait until im more then properly bankrolled..
from what i could tell it was massive aggression, full pedal to the metal poker.
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how much different is the 3/6 tables from the 2/4
i tried the 3/6 for about 30 minutes, lost close to 200$ and decided to wait until im more then properly bankrolled..
from what i could tell it was massive aggression, full pedal to the metal poker.
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3/6 plays a lot like shorthanded 2/4. where full ring 2/4 is more like camp camp camp camp raise raise raise. i have yet to see what 5/10 shorthanded is like...but from what Artic's posted i don't know if i should be laughing or crying.
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how much different is the 3/6 tables from the 2/4
i tried the 3/6 for about 30 minutes, lost close to 200$ and decided to wait until im more then properly bankrolled..
from what i could tell it was massive aggression, full pedal to the metal poker.
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3/6 plays a lot like shorthanded 2/4. where full ring 2/4 is more like camp camp camp camp raise raise raise. i have yet to see what 5/10 shorthanded is like...but from what Artic's posted i don't know if i should be laughing or crying. |
ya the 3/6 was crazy aggressive, i had AK in late position it was folded to me, i raise, the blinds reraise me, i reraise back
and it was a reraiseing war to the river, where they magically caught a pair and beat me
how do you really play in these games?
off topic but does that hottie in your avatar have a name ?
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i forget the name...i randomly pick a girl off scanlover.com from time to time (not work safe...go to clean.scanlover.com for work safe)
against really aggressive players, i just call down. no point in going into a raising war with AK when you don't hit.
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ya the 3/6 was crazy aggressive, i had AK in late position it was folded to me, i raise, the blinds reraise me, i reraise back
and it was a reraiseing war to the river, where they magically caught a pair and beat me
how do you really play in these games?
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Post the hand. Why are you jamming post-flop without a pair?
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LMAO, from this morining...
230 hands of 3/6 net +$346.21
360 hands of 2/4 net -$156.50 (was at -$200 at one point.)
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LMAO, from this morining...
230 hands of 3/6 net +$346.21
360 hands of 2/4 net -$156.50 (was at -$200 at one point.)
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at least hit an upswing at the slightly higher limits 
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